A tool of higher powers? Yep, a tool of the neocon cabal. Browder is Jewish, so enjoys automatic protection from the tribe, and any action against such an extremely useful anti-Russia tool will be immediately stamped as anti-Semitic. Case closed.
Oh, I don't disagree with your above statement. The LOL-level error was coup de gras. "Gras" is "fat". "Coup de grace" - might that be what you intended? Or did you mean "hit with fat"?
“as with Russia in Kievan Rus” is meant that -I find the Russian intervention to be necessary for their survival against the ever aggressive and expansionist Zio/NATO/American/European imperialism.
Anyway, I am curious as to what articles of yours might offend Mr. Unz, or maybe it’s a case of his being able to publish only so many. This is a voluminous site as it is.
Coup de grace; I stand corrected.
I have no illusions about the ‘independence’ of the so-called ‘alternate media.’ In America, & in most of the world, all information is controlled, SPECIALLY, the so-called ‘Opposition’ – ‘Alternate Media.’
I deny making errors. LOL!
LOL! Just having a bit of fun; anybody can make an error.
Hi.
“as with Russia in Kievan Rus” is meant that -I find the Russian intervention to be necessary for their survival against the ever aggressive and expansionist Zio/NATO/American/European imperialism.
Oh, I don’t disagree with your above statement. The LOL-level error was coup de gras. “Gras” is “fat”. “Coup de grace” – might that be what you intended? Or did you mean “hit with fat”?
Anyway, I am curious as to what articles of yours might offend Mr. Unz, or maybe it’s a case of his being able to publish only so many. This is a voluminous site as it is.
Back to your above quote re the necessity of the Russia intervention. Yes, you are correct, but maybe it’s the swing of the pendulum. Russia has done a bit of intervening itself over the centuries.
Coup de grace; I stand corrected.
Anyway, I am curious as to what articles of yours might offend Mr. Unz, or maybe it’s a case of his being able to publish only so many. This is a voluminous site as it is.
LOL! Just having a bit of fun; anybody can make an error.Replies: @Durruti
The Germanic Tribes (as with Russia in Kievan Russ), halted the Roman genocide (which was guilty of the extermination of millions of subjected peoples), and later, The Huns, and other assorted ‘barbarian’ peoples, committed the coup de gras
LOL! Just having a bit of fun; anybody can make an error.
I deny making errors. LOL!
“as with Russia in Kievan Rus” is meant that -I find the Russian intervention to be necessary for their survival against the ever aggressive and expansionist Zio/NATO/American/European imperialism.
This is a comment section, where less preparation is put into our comments, than in prepared Articles.
Unz has refused to print my articles (yes, he actually censors in his zone where he wields some power). Is his morality superior to those who control our Mass Media (and who censor & lie in greater quantities)? Hmm?? Nevertheless, his website, which serves as a Listening Post (how could it not?), is a substantial achievement, as it allows some modest circulation of alternate points of view.
If the “error” was -other- kindly cue me in.
Oh, I don't disagree with your above statement. The LOL-level error was coup de gras. "Gras" is "fat". "Coup de grace" - might that be what you intended? Or did you mean "hit with fat"?
“as with Russia in Kievan Rus” is meant that -I find the Russian intervention to be necessary for their survival against the ever aggressive and expansionist Zio/NATO/American/European imperialism.
These weaknesses appear to be rooted in our species, just as certain limitations may be ascribed to the varied animal species who inhabit our planet. Understood, that the animal species are not as ruinous to our planet's ecology as in/humans.It may be that we in/humans are not capable of overcoming our dangerous proclivities/limitations. It is possible that we fail to understand our limitations, as we are given false hope by the occasional birth of exceptionally capable humans, who exhibit intelligence, measured with great ability to love, and exceptional courage. You may pick your heroes, and I, mine. Unfortunately, these exceptional humans are few and far between, and often violently eliminated before they can accomplish much good.A brief perusal of the Rise of the Roman empire, or extermination of the citizens of Jericho, will display all the unfortunate proclivities, and failures of our species. Julius Caesar and his supporters wanted control over the Gaul's gold mines, and other wealth, in order to better control their Rome. Once they had finished their victory, (“They make a desert and call it peace.” - Tacitus), Caesar marched his legions across the Rubicon, [November 22, 1963] and overthrew Rome's Republic. It was never restored, despite many promises. The Germanic Tribes (as with Russia in Kievan Russ), halted the Roman genocide (which was guilty of the extermination of millions of subjected peoples), and later, The Huns, and other assorted 'barbarian' peoples, committed the coup de gras. Unfortunately, as you/we observe, our in/human race appears not to be able to transcend its limitations.The Heavens may not be for us!Dr. Peter J. Antonsen -nom de guerre, DurrutiReplies: @Liza
We are having an ‘election’ and every vox populi reveals staggering stupidity, ignorance, brainwashing and TOTAL indifference to ecological collapse,
The Germanic Tribes (as with Russia in Kievan Russ), halted the Roman genocide (which was guilty of the extermination of millions of subjected peoples), and later, The Huns, and other assorted ‘barbarian’ peoples, committed the coup de gras
LOL! Just having a bit of fun; anybody can make an error.
I deny making errors. LOL!
LOL! Just having a bit of fun; anybody can make an error.
We are having an ‘election’ and every vox populi reveals staggering stupidity, ignorance, brainwashing and TOTAL indifference to ecological collapse,
These weaknesses appear to be rooted in our species, just as certain limitations may be ascribed to the varied animal species who inhabit our planet. Understood, that the animal species are not as ruinous to our planet’s ecology as in/humans.
It may be that we in/humans are not capable of overcoming our dangerous proclivities/limitations. It is possible that we fail to understand our limitations, as we are given false hope by the occasional birth of exceptionally capable humans, who exhibit intelligence, measured with great ability to love, and exceptional courage. You may pick your heroes, and I, mine. Unfortunately, these exceptional humans are few and far between, and often violently eliminated before they can accomplish much good.
A brief perusal of the Rise of the Roman empire, or extermination of the citizens of Jericho, will display all the unfortunate proclivities, and failures of our species. Julius Caesar and his supporters wanted control over the Gaul’s gold mines, and other wealth, in order to better control their Rome. Once they had finished their victory, (“They make a desert and call it peace.” – Tacitus), Caesar marched his legions across the Rubicon, [November 22, 1963] and overthrew Rome’s Republic. It was never restored, despite many promises.
The Germanic Tribes (as with Russia in Kievan Russ), halted the Roman genocide (which was guilty of the extermination of millions of subjected peoples), and later, The Huns, and other assorted ‘barbarian’ peoples, committed the coup de gras. Unfortunately, as you/we observe, our in/human race appears not to be able to transcend its limitations.
The Heavens may not be for us!
Dr. Peter J. Antonsen -nom de guerre, Durruti
LOL! Just having a bit of fun; anybody can make an error.Replies: @Durruti
The Germanic Tribes (as with Russia in Kievan Russ), halted the Roman genocide (which was guilty of the extermination of millions of subjected peoples), and later, The Huns, and other assorted ‘barbarian’ peoples, committed the coup de gras
Nice thought provoking insight. Following this line of reason, one might argue that WW I never ended. As with boxing, we received one minute of rest, and then resumed beating Nations' heads in once again.There was a pause in the rate of butchery between the WWs. Some 20 years from WW I, to WW II, and 18 years (by my reckoning), between WW II & WW III. The powered up assault against Vietnam, and by intent, against Russia and China, began shortly after JF Kennedy's assassination. The sad history of in/Humanity is that they/we cannot avoid the all too often massive butcheries - so popular with Hollywood movie makers and Wargamers (as long as they may avoid frontline duty, or their homes being in the line of fire -Napalm, etc.).Then we have the haters - who deny our common ancestry.As an early Christmas Present, I include a link to my favorite music. Do you think we will ever get there?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbhCPt6PZIUReplies: @mulga mumblebrain
It is not so much that WWIII started on such and such a date, but that WWII never ended.
You are correct. WW1 never ended. A long, slow, forced, march to the scaffold, and here we are, about to be sacrificed for Galician Nazi scum. We are having an ‘election’ and every vox populi reveals staggering stupidity, ignorance, brainwashing and TOTAL indifference to ecological collapse, like children closing their eyes to the boogey-man, thus making him go away.
These weaknesses appear to be rooted in our species, just as certain limitations may be ascribed to the varied animal species who inhabit our planet. Understood, that the animal species are not as ruinous to our planet's ecology as in/humans.It may be that we in/humans are not capable of overcoming our dangerous proclivities/limitations. It is possible that we fail to understand our limitations, as we are given false hope by the occasional birth of exceptionally capable humans, who exhibit intelligence, measured with great ability to love, and exceptional courage. You may pick your heroes, and I, mine. Unfortunately, these exceptional humans are few and far between, and often violently eliminated before they can accomplish much good.A brief perusal of the Rise of the Roman empire, or extermination of the citizens of Jericho, will display all the unfortunate proclivities, and failures of our species. Julius Caesar and his supporters wanted control over the Gaul's gold mines, and other wealth, in order to better control their Rome. Once they had finished their victory, (“They make a desert and call it peace.” - Tacitus), Caesar marched his legions across the Rubicon, [November 22, 1963] and overthrew Rome's Republic. It was never restored, despite many promises. The Germanic Tribes (as with Russia in Kievan Russ), halted the Roman genocide (which was guilty of the extermination of millions of subjected peoples), and later, The Huns, and other assorted 'barbarian' peoples, committed the coup de gras. Unfortunately, as you/we observe, our in/human race appears not to be able to transcend its limitations.The Heavens may not be for us!Dr. Peter J. Antonsen -nom de guerre, DurrutiReplies: @Liza
We are having an ‘election’ and every vox populi reveals staggering stupidity, ignorance, brainwashing and TOTAL indifference to ecological collapse,
You are right.
You are correct, Height 776. I spoke too soon about Khrushchev’s history before checking Wikipedia. My bad. But his love for Ukraine doesn’t give old Nikita a pass for yanking Crimea away from Russia (against the wishes of its citizens).
Antifa have the same thing in mind for us.Replies: @Bubba
The crisis reached its peak in the winter of 1932–33, when organized groups of police and communist apparatchiks ransacked the homes of peasants and took everything edible, from crops to personal food supplies to pets.
I agree with that – just history repeating itself.
The self-proclaimed breakaway republics were not recognized by any government, including Russia, which did not recognize them until just a couple of days before it initiated the current war . Their militia did not even control half of the territory that they purported to represent. The fierce civilian opposition to Russia's war in that region now shows the separatist militia there had very limited popular acclaim. They were essentially proxy forces of Russia.
First is that it is not about Ukraine, but Ukraine and the republics.
You still yapping away like a chihuahua in heat? Shame and pity, Pilpul pusher.
Diddlesquatz. It was not the Russians who initiated the Holodomor. It was run by Lazar Kaganovitch, a Ukraine-born highly placed member of the Khazarian Mafiya—the Namestealers, the fake Jews who converted to Judaism on the orders of their Kagan, an ancestor of Kaganovitch—as “ovitch” in the eastern Slavic tongue means “son of”. Their descendants, then would be sons of ovitches.
The leading light of the PNAC horror-mongers is Robert Kagan, husband of cookies Nudelman, who managed the Maidan coup d’ etat. Yet another Kagan sits on the Supreme Courtesans—the BlackRobes who by interpreting law, customarily make it.
Sniffles: I do realize all of that swooped waaaaay over your head. But perhaps “our conversation” can stand as an object lesson for those who still possess somewhat open minds.
First is that it is not about Ukraine, but Ukraine and the republics.
The self-proclaimed breakaway republics were not recognized by any government, including Russia, which did not recognize them until just a couple of days before it initiated the current war . Their militia did not even control half of the territory that they purported to represent. The fierce civilian opposition to Russia’s war in that region now shows the separatist militia there had very limited popular acclaim. They were essentially proxy forces of Russia.
Now that I have explained why the agreement did not allow weapons and fighters from Russia into the conflict region (which you had insinuated they were allowed to do) you have suddenly shifted and claimed that all the weapons the separatists needed were available from stockpiles. Yet even if true, using only those weapons already on the premises was also a violation of the agreement by the separatists, according to the language cited above. Therefore, this does not change the fact that the agreement was violated by the side supported by Russia, so it would be unbalanced or hypocritical to insist that only one side, but not also the other, fully adhere to the terms.
The clarifying language of the memorandum and its follow-up is even more explicit regarding Point 10 than in the agreement, as would be expected:10. Remove unlawful military formations and military hardware, as well as militants and mercenaries, from the territory of Ukraine.10. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under monitoring of the OSCE. Disarmament of all illegal groups.Removal or withdrawal of all military equipment logically means that a replenishment to supply the rebels, including of military trained forces, shall not occur because they would have to be rejected at the border, or more precisely, they could be formally accepted but would have to be immediately sent back again.
There is a memorandum which clarifies all the points...
The implication is that rebel military forces – or terrorists – can accept these weapons for free, or purchase them, in Russia and train with them on Russian territory, or store them in depots there, but the equipment itself is not allowed inside Ukraine. Bringing weapons in from outside contradicts the purpose of the agreement. This is very basic. If Russia allowed this to happen anyway (which you claim they were permitted to do) then such action was prolonging the conflict, which was their intent, because that would make Ukraine ineligible to join NATO, which was their goal. If Russia and the rebels collaborated in violating and subverting the agreement then it is not difficult to understand that Ukraine's leadership did not feel obliged to adhere to it either.Replies: @emerging majority, @Here Be Dragon
...it doesn’t say anywhere that Russia had no right to sell or give away for free weapons to the military forces...
No.
You are missing the point.
First is that it is not about Ukraine, but Ukraine and the republics. The republics are not Ukraine. Second, there are no terrorist forces. The republics proclaimed independence, there is a different government. Their territories are not a part of Ukraine.
Now the agreements were supposed to grant them a special status – within Ukraine, but it didn’t happen. Had Ukraine followed the agreement there would have been no war. The republics wanted to preserve the status of their language and their political position.
Read the text of the agreement.
3. Implement decentralization of power, including by enacting the Law of Ukraine on the interim status of local self-government in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions (Law on Special Status).
9. Ensure the holding of early local elections in accordance with the Law of Ukraine on the interim status of local self-government in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions (Law on Special Status).
And then in the following memorandum,
9. Reinstatement of full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine throughout the conflict area, starting after the local elections and ending after the comprehensive political settlement to be finalized by the end of 2015, provided that paragraph 11 has been implemented.
11. Carrying out constitutional reform in Ukraine with a new Constitution entering into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element, as well as adopting permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
There were a lot of weapons in the local arsenal in Donbass and the republics did not depend on Russia in this regard. Donbass is an industrial region, and there were a number of military bases in the area with warehouses full of weapons.
Prolonging the conflict was the reluctance of Ukraine to implement the measures designated in the agreement.
“Russians and Ukrainians once lived in relative harmony, when they were both part of the USSR”. If by “relative harmony”, you mean millions of Ukrainians starved to death or otherwise murdered during the Holodomor by the Russians, then yes, that’s true. By your reasoning, every Eastern European nation that was part of the USSR lived in relative harmony with Russia. As long as they followed the Communist Party line. I guess you could say the many Native American tribes lived in harmony with the rest of the country, once the vast majority had been murdered, and the rest starved into submission by settlers, the Army, gold miners, buffalo hunters, ranchers, etc.
The clarifying language of the memorandum and its follow-up is even more explicit regarding Point 10 than in the agreement, as would be expected:10. Remove unlawful military formations and military hardware, as well as militants and mercenaries, from the territory of Ukraine.10. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under monitoring of the OSCE. Disarmament of all illegal groups.Removal or withdrawal of all military equipment logically means that a replenishment to supply the rebels, including of military trained forces, shall not occur because they would have to be rejected at the border, or more precisely, they could be formally accepted but would have to be immediately sent back again.
There is a memorandum which clarifies all the points...
The implication is that rebel military forces – or terrorists – can accept these weapons for free, or purchase them, in Russia and train with them on Russian territory, or store them in depots there, but the equipment itself is not allowed inside Ukraine. Bringing weapons in from outside contradicts the purpose of the agreement. This is very basic. If Russia allowed this to happen anyway (which you claim they were permitted to do) then such action was prolonging the conflict, which was their intent, because that would make Ukraine ineligible to join NATO, which was their goal. If Russia and the rebels collaborated in violating and subverting the agreement then it is not difficult to understand that Ukraine's leadership did not feel obliged to adhere to it either.Replies: @emerging majority, @Here Be Dragon
...it doesn’t say anywhere that Russia had no right to sell or give away for free weapons to the military forces...
Once again, limitlessly for sure, Has-Been keeps harping on the same legalistic terms—a sure sign of Talmudist pilpul.
In the meantime, on the basis of Nazi racial policy all Slavic people, Jews, Roma and black people were considered Untermenschen or “subhuman” and “inferior people” who, if at all possible, were to be exterminated in one way or another. Despite this open philosophy of the invading Nazi hordes,
Fortunately we have US professors to remind us, that it is bad considering adversaries as subhuman, and the GI hordes invading Germany never exterminated – in one way or another – mad brutes in the Rheinwiesen death camps.
Tune a little down, prof. Ryan, and have a look at your own country’s Untermenschen propaganda:
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Obviously nobody here has access to the Russian General Staff's plans, but the course of events indicates this as a probable scenario. Such a scenario- especially that of a neutral/friendly buffer state with a capital in Kiev -would provide a possibility for such a state to integrate into the Eurasian economy, and once that state gains de jure recognition, provide for a demilitarized zone between Russia and NATO. From the standpoint of Russian security, it's a no brainer.
Tell me the exact scenario this plan defends against compared to existing borders.
Keep in mind that Russian submarines in the Atlantic can also strike the eastern seaboard in less than 5 minutes.
Keep in mind that missiles in Atlantic submarines are less than 5 minutes from Moscow.
An answer to the first part: ask the US DOS, the CIA and the Maidan regime about the killing of ethnic Russians. In the last eight years, they murdered 14,000 of them in Donbass. As to the second part, a Russian friendly puppet state is preferable to the current NATO puppet state.
I’d like to know exactly how killing thousands of Whites and creating a puppet state prevents missiles from destroying Moscow.
«ask the US DOS, the CIA and the Maidan regime about the killing of ethnic Russians. In the last eight years, they murdered 14,000 of them in Donbass.»
That is an exaggeration: probably half of them were ukrainian-speakers, as the count is for both sides.
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
“3,393 civilians killed (349 in 2016–2021)
13,100–13,300 killed; 29,500–33,500 wounded overall
414,798 Ukrainians internally displaced; 925,500 fled abroad”
But regardless of the side the DOD/CIA and the ruthenian fascist xenophobes are responsible for all of them, and for all the deaths in the 2022 counter-attacks, because they initiated and continued their criminal war of aggression and ethnic cleansing against the Donbasm, when the Donbas voted not even for independence, but for just autonomy and devolution within Ukraine, like the scots and welsh have in the UK or the souuth tyrolean have in Italy, or the catalans in the Kingdom of Spain.
The DOD/CIA and the ruthenian xenophobe fascists even continued their attacks against the Donbas once in February 2022 they declared independence under the U.N. Charter, and even if they had signed a mutual defense treaty with the Russian Federation, as per Article 51 of that charter.
That means unlawful formations and unlawful hardware. It doesn't mean that Russia had to stop reinforcing the legal military forces of the republics with weapons. The agreement speaks about the volunteer battalions on the territory of Ukraine – and not the republics.And this is stated in detail in the follow-up memorandum:
Protocol on the outcome of consultations of the Trilateral Contact Group
https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/UA_140905_MinskCeasfire_en.pdf10. Remove unlawful military formations and military hardware, as well as militants and mercenaries, from the territory of Ukraine.
You must now see that it doesn't say anywhere that Russia had no right to sell or give away for free weapons to the military forces of the republics. But it doesn't even matter because there were large arsenals of weapons on the territories of the republics anyway, and they didn't really need any supplementation. They were using their own weapons which anybody with even superficial knowledge of military hardware can see.The weapons that Russia had to pull out were named in the protocol: Tornado-C, Uragan and Smerch rocket launchers.Replies: @Been_there_done_that
Package of measures for the Implementation of the Minsk agreements
https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/UA_150212_MinskAgreement_en.pdfWithdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides on equal distances in order to create a security zone at least 50 km wide from each other for the artillery systems with caliber greater than 100mm and more.
There is a memorandum which clarifies all the points…
The clarifying language of the memorandum and its follow-up is even more explicit regarding Point 10 than in the agreement, as would be expected:
10. Remove unlawful military formations and military hardware, as well as militants and mercenaries, from the territory of Ukraine.
10. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under monitoring of the OSCE. Disarmament of all illegal groups.
Removal or withdrawal of all military equipment logically means that a replenishment to supply the rebels, including of military trained forces, shall not occur because they would have to be rejected at the border, or more precisely, they could be formally accepted but would have to be immediately sent back again.
…it doesn’t say anywhere that Russia had no right to sell or give away for free weapons to the military forces…
The implication is that rebel military forces – or terrorists – can accept these weapons for free, or purchase them, in Russia and train with them on Russian territory, or store them in depots there, but the equipment itself is not allowed inside Ukraine.
Bringing weapons in from outside contradicts the purpose of the agreement. This is very basic. If Russia allowed this to happen anyway (which you claim they were permitted to do) then such action was prolonging the conflict, which was their intent, because that would make Ukraine ineligible to join NATO, which was their goal. If Russia and the rebels collaborated in violating and subverting the agreement then it is not difficult to understand that Ukraine’s leadership did not feel obliged to adhere to it either.
And then in the following memorandum,
3. Implement decentralization of power, including by enacting the Law of Ukraine on the interim status of local self-government in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions (Law on Special Status).
9. Ensure the holding of early local elections in accordance with the Law of Ukraine on the interim status of local self-government in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions (Law on Special Status).
There were a lot of weapons in the local arsenal in Donbass and the republics did not depend on Russia in this regard. Donbass is an industrial region, and there were a number of military bases in the area with warehouses full of weapons.
9. Reinstatement of full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine throughout the conflict area, starting after the local elections and ending after the comprehensive political settlement to be finalized by the end of 2015, provided that paragraph 11 has been implemented.
11. Carrying out constitutional reform in Ukraine with a new Constitution entering into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element, as well as adopting permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
Please do not fabricate quotes to support your thesis.
The main document referred to “the number of atomic bombings which should be available to insure our national security”
In actuality it says “the number of atomic bombs” not “the number of atomic bombings”
If something is so obvious then you should have provided an irrefutable argument or undisputed fact to support it, but you can't do this if it actually a lie that gets repeated often. In fact, you have even obfuscated what specific issue you are referring to.
Once again you are denying the obvious...
According to the information you cited, Russia signed on, so the banning of weapons inside the Donbass applied to it also, even though it is a peripheral party in the conflict.
The agreement was not between Ukraine and Russia...
Since you are incapable of logical reasoning I will have to explain: As soon as Russia brought weapons or fighters into Ukraine to reinforce the terrorists (technically not illegal because not explicitly forbidden) it would already be obliged by the terms of the agreement to withdraw them as soon as they crossed the border, so they could never even be deployed. You have attempted to come up with a contorted rationale to justify Russia's violation of the agreement and intentionally prolonging the conflict, which it initiated in 2014, for the reasons I have explained.
...it doesn’t follow...that Russia had to refrain from reinforcing the militias with weapons.
That is irrelevant and not in dispute. It is your illogical interpretation of what is documented in the article that I have exposed as false – which Gorbachev also confirmed as such. And, as I have pointed out, you cannot refute the terms of the 1997 Paris agreement, in which Russia consented to future NATO eastward expansion.
...there are articles from respectable sources, none of which can be accused of being pro-Russian...
A funny projection of your own inadequacy and failure. I must therefore conclude that this is a cryptic concession on your part for having lost the arguments; this must be the standard operating mode of paid Russian trolls and deluded cultists nowadays, a variation of standard name-calling. Thanks to you, readers may now reflexively associate the handle "Dragon" with Idiot.Replies: @Here Be Dragon
Before you ever try again to argue with me...logic and reasoning are so weak it’s unworthy of my time, so go play somewhere.
You are not even reading the text.
Understand that it is not up to you. You cannot interpret the agreement and make conclusions. Everything is included in the text. There is a memorandum which clarifies all the points, so read it.
Protocol on the outcome of consultations of the Trilateral Contact Group
https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/UA_140905_MinskCeasfire_en.pdf10. Remove unlawful military formations and military hardware, as well as militants and mercenaries, from the territory of Ukraine.
That means unlawful formations and unlawful hardware. It doesn’t mean that Russia had to stop reinforcing the legal military forces of the republics with weapons. The agreement speaks about the volunteer battalions on the territory of Ukraine – and not the republics.
And this is stated in detail in the follow-up memorandum:
Package of measures for the Implementation of the Minsk agreements
https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/UA_150212_MinskAgreement_en.pdfWithdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides on equal distances in order to create a security zone at least 50 km wide from each other for the artillery systems with caliber greater than 100mm and more.
You must now see that it doesn’t say anywhere that Russia had no right to sell or give away for free weapons to the military forces of the republics.
But it doesn’t even matter because there were large arsenals of weapons on the territories of the republics anyway, and they didn’t really need any supplementation. They were using their own weapons which anybody with even superficial knowledge of military hardware can see.
The weapons that Russia had to pull out were named in the protocol: Tornado-C, Uragan and Smerch rocket launchers.
The clarifying language of the memorandum and its follow-up is even more explicit regarding Point 10 than in the agreement, as would be expected:10. Remove unlawful military formations and military hardware, as well as militants and mercenaries, from the territory of Ukraine.10. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under monitoring of the OSCE. Disarmament of all illegal groups.Removal or withdrawal of all military equipment logically means that a replenishment to supply the rebels, including of military trained forces, shall not occur because they would have to be rejected at the border, or more precisely, they could be formally accepted but would have to be immediately sent back again.
There is a memorandum which clarifies all the points...
The implication is that rebel military forces – or terrorists – can accept these weapons for free, or purchase them, in Russia and train with them on Russian territory, or store them in depots there, but the equipment itself is not allowed inside Ukraine. Bringing weapons in from outside contradicts the purpose of the agreement. This is very basic. If Russia allowed this to happen anyway (which you claim they were permitted to do) then such action was prolonging the conflict, which was their intent, because that would make Ukraine ineligible to join NATO, which was their goal. If Russia and the rebels collaborated in violating and subverting the agreement then it is not difficult to understand that Ukraine's leadership did not feel obliged to adhere to it either.Replies: @emerging majority, @Here Be Dragon
...it doesn’t say anywhere that Russia had no right to sell or give away for free weapons to the military forces...
«there are pipelines for the superior athletes beginning at ridiculously young ages. Sports, thus, becomes the central focus of the process.»
They are critical to attracting donations, and the Great American Upper-Middle (and Upper) Classes are otherwise unconvinced that they should pay higher taxes to give an education to “losers”.
Like in the UK, in the USA the upper and upper-middle classes have long realized that spending on education in the USA is pointless, because there are hundreds of millions of people educated at the expense of foreign taxpayers who want to immigrate into the USA.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/09/britain-needs-to-double-the-number-of-doctors-it-trains
“Last year 59% of new registrations in England had been trained by other countries, writes Prof Rachel Jenkins […] The number of medical student training places in the UK needs to double. This should not be as expensive to Treasury as feared”
«No civilized nation follows that prescription.»
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/12/07/barbarism-decadence/
“America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.”
«My parents were displaced small farmers who as early as ’51 were obliged to leave the family homestead for a nearby small town where they could find work. […] Driving small farmers off the land was policy following the Second World War. Thus began the full-on devolution of America’s one-time land-based culture.»
There were efficiency reasons for that, but I guess also long-term political reasons, see A. de Tcoqueville, “Democracy in America” (1834), volume 1, part 2:
“In France, most of those who hire out their services to till the ground are themselves owners of a few plots of land which, at a pinch, will enable them to live without working for anyone else. When these people offer to work for a great landlord or a neighbouring tenant farmer but are refused a certain wage, they withdraw to their small and await another opportunity. I think that, on the whole, it can be said that the slow and gradual rise in wages is one of the more general laws of democratic societies. As conditions become more equal, wages rise, as wages increase, conditions become more equal.
But nowadays one great and unfortunate exception occurs. I have demonstrated in a previous chapter how the aristocracy, once expelled from the political life, had withdrawn into certain areas of industrial enterprise and had created its power there in a different form. This has a strong influence on the rate of wages.
«was won by the USA financial and industrial power»
BTW I also argue that Afghanistan and Iraq are also demonstrations of the enormous power of USA finance and logistics: the USA has been able to sustain for 20 years two huge and very wasteful wars thousands of miles from its borders, while maintaining bases and smaller military operations in dozens of other countries, and without collapsing yet. The second invasion of Iraq was the first war in history apparently paid for by *tax cuts*.
I think that the USA is still the only country that can afford to divide the whole world into USA armed forces “commands” (garrison areas), not even the English Empire had military commands for every part of the world, only for that 1/3 of the world part of the English Empire.
BTW that’s why I support for western european countries to be USA protectorates with limited sovereignty: it is not because I have any illusions that the USA are the shining hill of good, the champions of “liberal democracy”, it is both because it is pretty much unavoidable and comes with some important benefits (that don’t apply to resource rich, less-developed countries).
Imperial overstretch is a thing, and eventually the USA empire will become unsustainable, but for now they can still afford it; and now that the Iraq and Afghanistan stories have largely ended, they can focus their resources on China, plus Russia and Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine.
Well, the Russians got us back by enabling the election of Trump in 2016. Without their help, Trump would have lost badly.
"As for Ukraine, after its independence it struggled along, but it wasn’t until 2014 that a cataclysmic event occurred which totally changed the course of history in that country. The USA succeeded in staging a coup d’état which replaced a democratically elected president and installed a regime in which neo-Nazis proceeded to have a major role."
You’ve been missing that ukie Black Sea vacation for some years now…right?
or still po’d about Epstein island’s outage.
Stinker/ugly Hillary was so wildly bad, Trump found some resonant issues, and apparently some part of the internet steal got shut down by some of the residual intelligence white hats.
2016 was precious for the looks of Big Media talking heads’ disbelief, crying and whining of those who realized the Big Steal failed, for once.
«There is a real Ukraine, but it is a rather small, insignificant geopolitical entity with no access to the sea, but does happen to be somewhat of a nation state whose majority speak the Ukrainian dialect (similar in a sense to that of Texas in relation to the U.$.), a Polakized variant of the Russian mother tongue, to which that borderland was a significant original contributor.»
That seems very confused to me:
* The “Ukraine” used to be the area around Dnipro, “malorussia”, and a russian dialect is largely spoken there.
* What was “polishized” a bit is the ruthenian language, a language somewhat different from russian, and both russian and ruthenian are descended from east slavic. Ruthenian is spoken in northern (white) Ruthenia (west Belarus) and in southern (red) Ruthenia (west Ukraine, or more precisely to the west of Ukraine).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenian_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ruthenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ruthenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ruthenia
«Sometimes in the 16th century, the names Black, White and Red Ruthenia were given to respectively Grand Duchies of Moscow, Lithuania, and to Lithuanian-owned Ruthenian lands given to Poland during the Union of Lublin.»
https://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/articles/2007/04/16/marina_lewycka_rony_robinson_feature.shtml
«I even found my family on the internet! I found my mother’s 88 year old sister which meant I could go back to Ukraine as an insider not just a tourist. I really saw both halves of the country that way; westward-looking Kiev which is Catholic and very different from the east, which is a lot closer to the Soviet Union. A lot of people speak Russian in the east so in Ukraine there are two very disparate cultures in one country.»
http://ww2today.com/1-march-1944-the-red-army-marches-across-ukraine
«The population welcomed us warmly, regardless of how hard it was for them to provide food to soldiers; they always found some nice treats — some villagers boiled chicken, others boiled potatoes and cut lard (soldiers dubbed this kind of catering ‘a grandmother’s ration’). However, such attitudes were common only in the Eastern Ukraine.
As soon as we entered the Western Ukraine, that had passed to the Soviet Union from Poland in 1940, the attitude of the population was quite different — people hid from us in their houses, as they disliked and feared the Muscovites and Kastaps [a disparaging name for Russians in Ukraine – translators comment]. Besides that, those places were Bandera areas, where the nationalistic movement was quite strong.»
«That included Crimea which historically has spent more time under the Turks than the Russians. Another little tidbit you won’t hear on Russian State TV.»
It actually spent an even longer time as a greek and genoese colony, and under the mongols. Should it be returned to Mongolia?
«There is no Autonomous Republic of Crimea.»
There is, as part of Ukraine! Are you a “Putin troll” who denies that the Autonomous Republic Of Crimea under the ukrainian constitution is and has always been and will always be part of Ukraine? 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Republic_of_Crimea
“Since 1954, Crimea Oblast has been administratively part of the Ukrainian SSR. Shortly prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Crimea was granted the status of Autonomous Republic by the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR following a state-sanctioned referendum held on January 20, 1991. When Ukraine became independent, Crimea remained a republic within the country”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Crimea
“After the referendum, Crimean lawmakers formally voted both to secede from Ukraine and applied for their admission into Russia. […] Russia formally approved the draft treaty on absorption of the self-proclaimed Republic of Crimea […] the political process of annexation was formally concluded, with the self-proclaimed independent Republic of Crimea signing a treaty of accession to the Russian Federation. […] accession for the Autonomous Republic of Crimea as the Republic of Crimea — the same name as the short-lived self-proclaimed independent republic”
«Crimea was annexed by Russia. They are under Russian law which means they lost their right to vote for their political leaders.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Crimean_parliamentary_election
“Prime Minister before election Sergey Aksyonov United Russia
Subsequent Prime Minister Yury Gotsanyuk United Russia
[…] Parliamentary elections took place in the Republic of Crimea on 8 September 2019.”
That’s just the election to the parliament and government of the Republic of Crimea. Citizens of the Republic of Crimea also vote for Russian Federation elections of course. Just like the citizens of Quebec vote for their national elections and canadian federal elections too.
«when their next presidential election is.»
In 2024, as the latest election was 2019 and the previous one in 2014. Not all republics have a presidential system — when is the next election for president of Canada?
However the post of President of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was abolished by the ukrainian government:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26681653
“Because Mr Meshkov was the first – and so far only – president of Crimea. He was elected in 1994, by a landslide, on a platform of reuniting the Ukrainian peninsula with Russia. Like an eager suitor, he hopped on a plane to Moscow… only to find his overtures to Boris Yeltsin rebuffed. The Russian president was far too concerned with building a relationship with the West […] recalled how he had been removed by Ukrainian troops in 1995. It was just a year after he was elected that the authorities in Kiev put a stop to his political hopes, passing a new Ukrainian constitution, which abolished the post of Crimean president.”
Such is “ukrainian liberal democracy”!
«You are making stuff up. There was never a large sum paid to Ukraine. »
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/russia-to-pay-ukraine-annually-98-million-in-cash-for-naval-base-rent/
“Russia, which has granted a discount on gas payments to Ukraine, will start paying about $98 million in cash annually to rent the Black Sea Fleet’s base in Sevastopol starting in 2019 […] A 1997 Russian-Ukrainian treaty on the Black Sea Fleet’s stationing in Ukraine set the annual rent payment for the base at $97.85 million”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact
“On 21 April 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych signed an agreement[18] in which Russia agreed to a 30% drop in the price of natural gas sold to Ukraine. […] The treaty allowed Russia to station a limited number of troops in Crimea, 25,000 maximum.”
Fascinating. I did not know this history (accounting cog in the wheel here). There was a re-birth in the humanities though after the holocaust you can read the essay "education after Auschwitz" which essentially argues that education mechanisms of Germany rendered people capable of such deeds and need to get "back to the basics" (sound familiar?) of teaching people to think on their own, question, etc. I'd say we had a good run 45-70s at the university level of doing that again. I wasnt until equality was ditched for equity starting with affirmative action and other wokisms the train got off the tracks again. Progressiveness, itself a revolutionary movement has to keep outdoing itself. that now you literally have college professors calling for death of certain powerful people. (mainly whites and Jews) I agree completely about sex division - I did so at an academy similar to the kind Trump attended. It's the only reason I know anything as all I did in college was drink and sex and took 5 years instead of 4...probably lowered my IQ by 20Replies: @emerging majority
The template for what has now long been a deliberate dumbing down of the American people, most specifically the Great Overwashed, was established early in the 20th Century by the likes of John Dewey and James Bryant Conant. Both of them taught at the Columbia University school of education which was heavily endowed by John D. Rockefeller.One of those “gentlemen”, I believe it was Dewey who remarked (paraphrasing here) “that we don’t need to teach these people Latin, Greek, calculus, advanced history and world geography. We just need them to work in our factories, shops and offices and grow food.” With more well-applied grants, the Robber Barons saw to it that Columbia became the master template for colleges of education all across the fruited plain.
Having spent most evenings and nights hanging out in Greenwich Village in the Summer of ’65 and then returning to the University of Minnesota after experiencing Washington University in St. Louis for 1.5 semesters in ’64; I became rather disabused of the educational experience in the former institution. So at a basement study area on that then largest one-campus student body in the nation, I penned a biting bit of poesy:
The origins of the famine lay in the decision by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin to collectivize agriculture in 1929. Teams of Communist Party agitators forced peasants to relinquish their land, personal property, and sometimes housing to collective farms, and they deported so-called kulaks—wealthier peasants—as well as any peasants who resisted collectivization altogether. Collectivization led to a drop in production, the disorganization of the rural economy, and food shortages. It also sparked a series of peasant rebellions, including armed uprisings, in some parts of Ukraine.
Replies: @Liza
Farms, villages, and whole towns in Ukraine were placed on blacklists and prevented from receiving food. Peasants were forbidden to leave the Ukrainian republic in search of food. Despite growing starvation, food requisitions were increased and aid was not provided in sufficient quantities. The crisis reached its peak in the winter of 1932–33, when organized groups of police and communist apparatchiks ransacked the homes of peasants and took everything edible, from crops to personal food supplies to pets.
The crisis reached its peak in the winter of 1932–33, when organized groups of police and communist apparatchiks ransacked the homes of peasants and took everything edible, from crops to personal food supplies to pets.
Antifa have the same thing in mind for us.
Once again you are denying the obvious…
If something is so obvious then you should have provided an irrefutable argument or undisputed fact to support it, but you can’t do this if it actually a lie that gets repeated often. In fact, you have even obfuscated what specific issue you are referring to.
The agreement was not between Ukraine and Russia…
According to the information you cited, Russia signed on, so the banning of weapons inside the Donbass applied to it also, even though it is a peripheral party in the conflict.
…it doesn’t follow…that Russia had to refrain from reinforcing the militias with weapons.
Since you are incapable of logical reasoning I will have to explain: As soon as Russia brought weapons or fighters into Ukraine to reinforce the terrorists (technically not illegal because not explicitly forbidden) it would already be obliged by the terms of the agreement to withdraw them as soon as they crossed the border, so they could never even be deployed. You have attempted to come up with a contorted rationale to justify Russia’s violation of the agreement and intentionally prolonging the conflict, which it initiated in 2014, for the reasons I have explained.
…there are articles from respectable sources, none of which can be accused of being pro-Russian…
That is irrelevant and not in dispute. It is your illogical interpretation of what is documented in the article that I have exposed as false – which Gorbachev also confirmed as such. And, as I have pointed out, you cannot refute the terms of the 1997 Paris agreement, in which Russia consented to future NATO eastward expansion.
Before you ever try again to argue with me…logic and reasoning are so weak it’s unworthy of my time, so go play somewhere.
A funny projection of your own inadequacy and failure. I must therefore conclude that this is a cryptic concession on your part for having lost the arguments; this must be the standard operating mode of paid Russian trolls and deluded cultists nowadays, a variation of standard name-calling. Thanks to you, readers may now reflexively associate the handle “Dragon” with Idiot.
That means unlawful formations and unlawful hardware. It doesn't mean that Russia had to stop reinforcing the legal military forces of the republics with weapons. The agreement speaks about the volunteer battalions on the territory of Ukraine – and not the republics.And this is stated in detail in the follow-up memorandum:
Protocol on the outcome of consultations of the Trilateral Contact Group
https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/UA_140905_MinskCeasfire_en.pdf10. Remove unlawful military formations and military hardware, as well as militants and mercenaries, from the territory of Ukraine.
You must now see that it doesn't say anywhere that Russia had no right to sell or give away for free weapons to the military forces of the republics. But it doesn't even matter because there were large arsenals of weapons on the territories of the republics anyway, and they didn't really need any supplementation. They were using their own weapons which anybody with even superficial knowledge of military hardware can see.The weapons that Russia had to pull out were named in the protocol: Tornado-C, Uragan and Smerch rocket launchers.Replies: @Been_there_done_that
Package of measures for the Implementation of the Minsk agreements
https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/UA_150212_MinskAgreement_en.pdfWithdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides on equal distances in order to create a security zone at least 50 km wide from each other for the artillery systems with caliber greater than 100mm and more.
Timing my good Bukowski –timing, Why would Aryan superhumans have to lower themselves and spend time rounding up and shooting Jews Gypsies Catholic priests and all those Poles when the Ukraine Bandarites were willing and ready and these Slavs would fill a valuable purpose—for the time being. However, after all this subhuman trash is gone —comes the fate of the Bandarites, and —they no longer serve a purpose because they were one step above the thick brained pig faced Pole ( ask Goebbels) and the cunning Jew and the lazy trash Gypsie —–but the Slav Ukraine has NO role in future Aryan society and hence —they will be exterminated but Thanks anyway for a job almost well done –however you missed most of Warsaw —did you not use the maps we gave you or can’t you read -whatever ????
A new Freeland is rising ! It will have Justin “Jackboot” Trudeau in charge and Chrystia Chomiak as second and Zylenkyy on third singing ” My old Ontario Home !” and it will include all Canada and the USA Blue States and some Red states and the new country will be called Freeland and it will be a place where human rights and democracy are valued….
The template for what has now long been a deliberate dumbing down of the American people, most specifically the Great Overwashed, was established early in the 20th Century by the likes of John Dewey and James Bryant Conant. Both of them taught at the Columbia University school of education which was heavily endowed by John D. Rockefeller.
One of those “gentlemen”, I believe it was Dewey who remarked (paraphrasing here) “that we don’t need to teach these people Latin, Greek, calculus, advanced history and world geography. We just need them to work in our factories, shops and offices and grow food.” With more well-applied grants, the Robber Barons saw to it that Columbia became the master template for colleges of education all across the fruited plain.
Fascinating. I did not know this history (accounting cog in the wheel here). There was a re-birth in the humanities though after the holocaust you can read the essay “education after Auschwitz” which essentially argues that education mechanisms of Germany rendered people capable of such deeds and need to get “back to the basics” (sound familiar?) of teaching people to think on their own, question, etc. I’d say we had a good run 45-70s at the university level of doing that again. I wasnt until equality was ditched for equity starting with affirmative action and other wokisms the train got off the tracks again. Progressiveness, itself a revolutionary movement has to keep outdoing itself. that now you literally have college professors calling for death of certain powerful people. (mainly whites and Jews)
I agree completely about sex division – I did so at an academy similar to the kind Trump attended. It’s the only reason I know anything as all I did in college was drink and sex and took 5 years instead of 4…probably lowered my IQ by 20
"Relative harmony" as in 3 or 4 million Ukrainians starved to death by USSR's Kremlin chief?Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Pop Warner, @Bubba
To understand the current conflict, it is important to recall that Russians and Ukrainians once lived in relative harmony, when they were both part of the USSR
I also could not believe that statement about “relative harmony.”
The author could have at least looked up the “breadbasket of Europe” (a.k.a. Ukraine) Holodomor famine in Brittanica.com (written by Anne Applebaum) which reads as follows: (but it was actually the Bolsheviks who started the Holomodor which was blatantly denied by the willful idiot journalist Walter Duranty in the self-proclaimed “Newspaper of Record” and “All the News That’s Fit to Print”The NYT’s and Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize for his outright lies, but that’s another story):
The origins of the famine lay in the decision by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin to collectivize agriculture in 1929. Teams of Communist Party agitators forced peasants to relinquish their land, personal property, and sometimes housing to collective farms, and they deported so-called kulaks—wealthier peasants—as well as any peasants who resisted collectivization altogether. Collectivization led to a drop in production, the disorganization of the rural economy, and food shortages. It also sparked a series of peasant rebellions, including armed uprisings, in some parts of Ukraine.
Farms, villages, and whole towns in Ukraine were placed on blacklists and prevented from receiving food. Peasants were forbidden to leave the Ukrainian republic in search of food. Despite growing starvation, food requisitions were increased and aid was not provided in sufficient quantities. The crisis reached its peak in the winter of 1932–33, when organized groups of police and communist apparatchiks ransacked the homes of peasants and took everything edible, from crops to personal food supplies to pets.
Antifa have the same thing in mind for us.Replies: @Bubba
The crisis reached its peak in the winter of 1932–33, when organized groups of police and communist apparatchiks ransacked the homes of peasants and took everything edible, from crops to personal food supplies to pets.
[When Nuland's hand-picked Yatsenyuk resigned, he was replaced by Volodymyr Borysovych Groysman, "called the first Jewish Prime Minister of Ukraine."]George Eliason is based in Donbass and writes about Ukraine war on Substack & Muckrack, where he published The Nazis Even Hitler Was Afraid of by George Eliasonhttps://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?f=The-Nazis-Even-Hitler-was-by-George-Eliason-Exile_Genocide_Hitler-Brownshirts_Hitler-Youth-140316-321.html
“Stepan Bandera, a collaborator with Hitler who led the liquidation of thousands of Poles, Jews and other minorities. Ironically, Bandera is now considered a major hero by Zelensky’s government.”
. . . but that ZUSA embraced:https://i.postimg.cc/XN2mfyh5/Kerry-w-Yatsenyuk.png[John Kerry, Yatsenyuk]Replies: @JR Foley
"Ukrainian genocide committed against the Poles during World War II surpassed German and Soviet genocide .... [It] was marked by the utmost ruthlessness and barbarity, and ... up until the present day, it has been denied or, at best, presented with reminders that all is "relative' or other such evasions."According to Szawlowski's description of the methods the Banderites employed against the Poles at Volhynia, treachery was the most frequently used. The Banderites told the Poles they were one people and family with them and that it would be treason if they left. The Bandera groups even promised to protect them--in writing!What else separates the Banderas from every other genocidal perpetrator of the war is this: Even though the German SS had units dedicated to genocide, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) approached this mission with a zeal and barbarity that Hitler's own units could not muster. They routinely tortured people with saws and axes, and used the most painful methods they could devise as means to kill them.The Bandera would attack using "self defense groups" that were locally organized. These civilian Banderas were the main force used to attack and slaughter the Poles. If any of the massacre victims managed to survive, they were torched, robbed, and killed by follow-up groups of women and children."
Many thanks —you are aware of the truth and have done the research proving it in depth and I appreciate your thorough explanation—best Regards !!
Tell me the exact scenario this plan defends against compared to existing borders.
Obviously nobody here has access to the Russian General Staff’s plans, but the course of events indicates this as a probable scenario. Such a scenario- especially that of a neutral/friendly buffer state with a capital in Kiev -would provide a possibility for such a state to integrate into the Eurasian economy, and once that state gains de jure recognition, provide for a demilitarized zone between Russia and NATO. From the standpoint of Russian security, it’s a no brainer.
Keep in mind that missiles in Atlantic submarines are less than 5 minutes from Moscow.
Keep in mind that Russian submarines in the Atlantic can also strike the eastern seaboard in less than 5 minutes.
Russia has a far superior civil defense program than the US, and about half the population of the US, which is spread across a land mass nearly the size of the US and Canada combined.
Russian hypersonic missiles can apparently travel at Mach 27. Russia has the ability to strike US mainland targets with conventional weaponry. Over-reliance on a nuclear arsenal is a sign of conventional weakness. Russia has the ability to win a conventional war against the US without resorting to nukes; the US does not have that ability.
I’d like to know exactly how killing thousands of Whites and creating a puppet state prevents missiles from destroying Moscow.
An answer to the first part: ask the US DOS, the CIA and the Maidan regime about the killing of ethnic Russians. In the last eight years, they murdered 14,000 of them in Donbass. As to the second part, a Russian friendly puppet state is preferable to the current NATO puppet state.
As to the last question, Russia sells gas and makes a profit. They’r’e not about to hand out their oil for free. Besides, Iran, not Israel, will soon be the dominant power in that region. They have a much larger physical economy and superior weapons technology, and are part of the Eurasian economic integration.
I( quit reading at that point. That statement is only true if you a loose definition of "harmony." Ukrainians were routinely the object of discrimination in the Soviet Union. Unless you were "Great Russian" you would not go far in the Soviet Military.
Ukrainians once lived in relative harmony
Liar, liar, pants on fire. The USSR war effort in WWII was replete with Ukrainian generals and even Field Marshals. So much for that silly argument. Crimea was administratively attached to Ukraine SSR by none other than Nikita Sergeyevitch Khrushchev, a Ukrainian native who became the ruler of the USSR from ca. 1956 to 1964.
As you happen to be historically and geopolitically ignorant, why is it that you keep making a fool of yourself in front of an erudite international audience?
“Existing borders” are a red-herring, bullshit, to be sure. Ukraine is not in its present construction, a national state. It is a Frankenstein Monster created as an administrative arm of the USSR as a conglomeration of spare parts, taken from other countries and with conflicting languages and nationalities by the Bolsheviks and the Soviets.
There is a real Ukraine, but it is a rather small, insignificant geopolitical entity with no access to the sea, but does happen to be somewhat of a nation state whose majority speak the Ukrainian dialect (similar in a sense to that of Texas in relation to the U.$.), a Polakized variant of the Russian mother tongue, to which that borderland was a significant original contributor.
Following the Maidan coup of February 22, 2014, the CIA and the U$$A military, along with Perfidious Albion and other Western schemers; became re-engineered into a militantly nationalist entity, with the Banderites and Khazarians forming a bass and soprano amen chorus chanting “Hate Russia”.
A generation of dimwits grew up in that cultural milieu. Daily, they are dying by the hundreds in pursuit of a chimera, a Ukraine entity within the Neo-liberal corporate rule of the envied consumerist West with its Hollywood glitz and glitter. Poor deluded fools.
Of those incredible levels of Lend-Lease supplies to Russia, it would seem from research that those 375,000 trucks were the most telling. Late in the war, Heinrich Himmler attempted to do a swap with the West, America in particular: Jews for trucks. The deal he offered was magnanimous, of one can imagine that. Nothing doing, the collective West informed Berlin.
You see both Germany and Russia had invested their industrial power heavily in tanks and in the case of Russia, in artillery as well. Both of those opposing powers had overlooked the “humble” trucks. Strategy and tactics are important, but ruling the fields of battle is logistics—supply. How’s that done?
Railroads carry heavy loads, but are susceptible to air attack as the Germans and their various concentration camp prisoners learned to their dismay and in the case of the latter, typhus and more particularly, starvation. Studebaker six by sixes comprised Russia’s primary edge over Germany. Thus they won the battle of logistics.
Food? The German supplies, even scraping occupied Europe, kept drooping. In Russia, both their military and their civil population came to love those rectangular cans of Spam, a product of the Hormel company in Austin, Minnesota; their plant located precisely in a major part of the corn-belt and hog production in a three-state area of Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota. During the war Spam became their primary source of meat-protein. Like Napoleon pointed out, an army runs on its stomach.
The Ukraine War is just a battle in a much larger war, WWIII really, which started years ago, with the spasms of a dying empire. With nuclear weapons, wars really are “existential”. Do the empire seeks domination economically and through subversion such as color revolutions and coups and support for self-destructive fanatics — and proxy wars, such as the Ukraine. The Empire is not just one of “Lies”; it is one of “Delusions” for it cannot win, without adaptation but its goals are retrogressive. It is a static culture. Eurasia is much more dynamic. Great challenges, which are for them existential, drive adaptation and change, and sideline ideology. https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/why-rome-fell-and-the-us-will-too?s=w
US also played a big role in starting the war itself by pushing Britain to give Poland the blank check war guarantees in March 1939:
http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/search?q=poland+
Hoover would document his conversations with the various people he met with. An example is provided of Hoover’s meeting with Kennedy on May 15, 1945. Kennedy indicated he had over 900 dispatches which he could not print without consent of the U.S. Government. He hoped one day to receive such permission as it was Kennedy’s intention to write a book that would:
…put an entirely different color on the process of how America got into the war and would prove the betrayal of the American people by Franklin D, Roosevelt.
…Roosevelt and Bullitt were the major factors in the British making their guarantees to Poland and becoming involved in the war. Kennedy said that Bullitt, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the Poles not to make terms with the Germans and that he Kennedy, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the British to make guarantees to the Poles.
He said that after Chamberlain had given these guarantees, Chamberlain told him (Kennedy) that he hoped the Americans and the Jews would now be satisfied but that he (Chamberlain) felt that he had signed the doom of civilization.
Kennedy said that if it had not been for Roosevelt the British would not have made this most gigantic blunder in history.
Kennedy told me that he thought Roosevelt was in communication with Churchill, who was the leader of the opposition to Chamberlain, before Chamberlain was thrown out of office….
You can find the same info in several articles on this site or in Hoover’s posthumously published wartime memoirs, Freedom Betrayed.
The claim that the nazis wanted to exterminate all Slavs is communist propaganda. In Ukraine the soviets killed millions of people by deliberately starving them to death in 1932-33.
http://ucrdc.org/Film-Harvest_of_Despair.html
I would also point out that the soviets long claimed that the nazis committed the Katyn massacre of Polish officers when they themselves were responsible for this atrocity.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=56206
Robbing houses
Ready to shoot own leg to quit
Mass desertions
Tank regiment destroyed
Completely demoralized soldiers
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Boy the 72 hour special military operation is going smoothly. Are we still in mop up phase?
Enjoy those newly shipped howitzers.
It is not so much that WWIII started on such and such a date, but that WWII never ended.
Nice thought provoking insight. Following this line of reason, one might argue that WW I never ended. As with boxing, we received one minute of rest, and then resumed beating Nations’ heads in once again.
There was a pause in the rate of butchery between the WWs. Some 20 years from WW I, to WW II, and 18 years (by my reckoning), between WW II & WW III. The powered up assault against Vietnam, and by intent, against Russia and China, began shortly after JF Kennedy‘s assassination.
The sad history of in/Humanity is that they/we cannot avoid the all too often massive butcheries – so popular with Hollywood movie makers and Wargamers (as long as they may avoid frontline duty, or their homes being in the line of fire -Napalm, etc.).
Then we have the haters – who deny our common ancestry.
As an early Christmas Present, I include a link to my favorite music. Do you think we will ever get there?
Thanks, and I am on your side and thinking GMC! Be sure and watch out for these corrupt and evil folks.
May 1, 2022 Speaker Pelosi meets Zelenskyy in unannounced visit to Kyiv
ABC News Senior Foreign Correspondent Ian Pannell reports on the Russian invasion of Ukraine on “This Week.”
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Ukraine is the key to unlocking massive corruption involving US politicians!
Here you deliciously cite Al Jazeera, a wholly owned communications subsidiary of a Gulf Dictatorship. Two-faced hypocrite.
Dumkopf. Putin could be described as an authoritarian, but certainly not a dictator. Dictatorship is one-man rule. Period. Though an autocrat, Putin is part of a consortium. In such a set-up, with historical memory of the Bolsheviks and the Stalinoids; those Russians who rise to the top of the political order are quite wary of dictatorship and would take steps to eliminate the problem.
Having encountered your peregrinations in the past, I am of the opinion that you happen to be a devout Russophobe and probably approve of the WEF/ New World Order agenda. As for myself, the enemy of my enemy is not himself my enemy. Capisce?
The globalists are sons of riches working with Khazarian Mafiya financial overlords. They are the actual would-be world dictators.
To quote Eldridge Cleaver: “If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem”. So whose side are you on “John Johnson”? Do you happen to be of Khazarian extraction and justify all your writings by your readings of the Babylonian Talmud…or does some agency cut your paycheck?
Westerns can't think anymore. The Humanities which used to teach searching for truth, questioning everything, morals, etc have been destroyed by woke activists for last 30 years and the universities run parallel corporate vocation pipeline in STEM or business to just be a cog in the machine and lap up whatever Wall Street is shoveling who don't question any societal structures and long as they are getting paid and laid.. This has lead to a public that is easily manipulated and TPTB who fully exert this advantage to their advantage. My parents were hippies in the 70s marching against nukes by the tens of thousands. Now on cusp of frekken nuclear war not a peep. It's a amazing transformation.Replies: @emerging majority
Since this war started in Ukraine, there has been an amazing amount of censorship in our “freedom loving” West, with not only all Russian media being censored but also anyone in the West who is critical of the USA’s or the West’s portrayal of events in Ukraine. We are indeed living in interesting times.
The template for what has now long been a deliberate dumbing down of the American people, most specifically the Great Overwashed, was established early in the 20th Century by the likes of John Dewey and James Bryant Conant. Both of them taught at the Columbia University school of education which was heavily endowed by John D. Rockefeller.
One of those “gentlemen”, I believe it was Dewey who remarked (paraphrasing here) “that we don’t need to teach these people Latin, Greek, calculus, advanced history and world geography. We just need them to work in our factories, shops and offices and grow food.” With more well-applied grants, the Robber Barons saw to it that Columbia became the master template for colleges of education all across the fruited plain.
Some years ago I encountered a ca 1906 test given to Kansas students who wished to graduate 8th grade. Being somewhat of an ambulatory encyclopedia, it was just possible to squeeze through that test. Having encountered a significant number of PHD’s over the years, it is my considered opinion that the majority of them, being highly specialized in their particular fields and not “burdened” with anything remotely resembling a classical education, would have failed that test.
Today’s educational morass is staffed by teachers, who on a good day might possibly achieve 110 on an I.Q. test, but its likely that on the middle school level, very few of them would soar that high. High school is still cluttered with pep rallies and intramural sports, where there are pipelines for the superior athletes beginning at ridiculously young ages. Sports, thus, becomes the central focus of the process. No civilized nation follows that prescription. School dances and the greenhousing of horny adolescent boys with girls in the same age group—again most extremely in the middle school years– is probably the foundation of America’s outrageous divorce rate.
A friend of mine who lived in Israel for some number of years, noted that particularly in the commonplace Yeshivas there is no such thing as co-educational classrooms for younger teens and perhaps the older ones as well. Much like America’s private academies, it has long been realized by discerning observers, that such institutions tend to create students who excel in their studies rather than sitting in the classroom listening to regurgitated pabulum emanating from those aforementioned schools of edjumacasion.
American colleges are chock a block with binge drinking on weekends. Ask yourselves why. For years they have been infantilized and coddled and once away to “higher education” its time to party down and hook up. Little wonder that achievement standards in American schools have steadily declined for decades.
Fascinating. I did not know this history (accounting cog in the wheel here). There was a re-birth in the humanities though after the holocaust you can read the essay "education after Auschwitz" which essentially argues that education mechanisms of Germany rendered people capable of such deeds and need to get "back to the basics" (sound familiar?) of teaching people to think on their own, question, etc. I'd say we had a good run 45-70s at the university level of doing that again. I wasnt until equality was ditched for equity starting with affirmative action and other wokisms the train got off the tracks again. Progressiveness, itself a revolutionary movement has to keep outdoing itself. that now you literally have college professors calling for death of certain powerful people. (mainly whites and Jews) I agree completely about sex division - I did so at an academy similar to the kind Trump attended. It's the only reason I know anything as all I did in college was drink and sex and took 5 years instead of 4...probably lowered my IQ by 20Replies: @emerging majority
The template for what has now long been a deliberate dumbing down of the American people, most specifically the Great Overwashed, was established early in the 20th Century by the likes of John Dewey and James Bryant Conant. Both of them taught at the Columbia University school of education which was heavily endowed by John D. Rockefeller.One of those “gentlemen”, I believe it was Dewey who remarked (paraphrasing here) “that we don’t need to teach these people Latin, Greek, calculus, advanced history and world geography. We just need them to work in our factories, shops and offices and grow food.” With more well-applied grants, the Robber Barons saw to it that Columbia became the master template for colleges of education all across the fruited plain.
And Unz is incorrect!
He [Unz]pointed out comments by top Nazi figures consistent with their view that Slavs were inferior and that they should be allowed to kill their own babies before birth (abortion) or themselves prevent the conception of their children, whereas they thought that Germanic people should not be allowed to kill their babies or use contraception. Unz didn’t say that was good; he said it was not genocide.
The inhumanity, the denigration of races, the labelling of one (or more) races as being inferior, opens the door to the abandonment of MORALITY, opens the door to the descent into HELL!
comments by top Nazi figures consistent with their view that Slavs were inferior
It is not so much that WWIII started on such and such a date, but that WWII never ended.
Nice thought provoking insight. Following this line of reason, one might argue that WW I never ended. As with boxing, we received one minute of rest, and then resumed beating Nations' heads in once again.There was a pause in the rate of butchery between the WWs. Some 20 years from WW I, to WW II, and 18 years (by my reckoning), between WW II & WW III. The powered up assault against Vietnam, and by intent, against Russia and China, began shortly after JF Kennedy's assassination. The sad history of in/Humanity is that they/we cannot avoid the all too often massive butcheries - so popular with Hollywood movie makers and Wargamers (as long as they may avoid frontline duty, or their homes being in the line of fire -Napalm, etc.).Then we have the haters - who deny our common ancestry.As an early Christmas Present, I include a link to my favorite music. Do you think we will ever get there?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbhCPt6PZIUReplies: @mulga mumblebrain
It is not so much that WWIII started on such and such a date, but that WWII never ended.
The demilitarization of Ukraine. The creation of a neutral/ friendly buffer state in rump Ukraine, and the control of the entire Black Sea coast providing a land bridge to Transnistria. That means that whatever is left of the Zionazi element will be confined to a small, land locked western region which will probably be divided up between Poland and Hungary.
Which long term security goals are being achieved?
Replies: @John Johnson
NATO nukes in Poland are still minutes from Moscow so do explain how encouraging the expansion of NATO (Finland and Sweden now interested in joining) and an increase in military spending by Western nations was worth killing over 60k Ukrainians and Russians.</blockquoteTo my knowledge, NATO has still not placed active nukes in Poland, but the strike which destroyed its training base in Yavorov (near Lvov) showed its leadership that Russia does indeed mean business and can strike via conventional means anywhere in Europe. Besides, NATO does not have the means to win a conventional war with Russia in Eastern Europe. Its leadership may be insane but hopefully not insane enough to trigger a nuclear conflict.International Jewry will lose big time in Ukraine, whether Israel gets a better price on oil or not. Israel is not really a major geopolitical player- it is a center of operations for one branch of Zionism; acquiring Ukraine and Crimea were a major goal of the Zionists thwarted by Stalin when he gave them Birobidjan instead. This was one of the major motivations of the Maidan coup- led by the wife of the arch-neocon Kagan. They wanted a restored Kingdom of Khazaria.
Ploy of Atlanticist-Zionists? Do explain how Jews lose in all this given that Israel doesn’t have to boycott Russian energy and in fact will get cheaper oil.
Germany isn't run by Germans either, in the sense of political control. It's a NATO satrap, and NATO's purpose, as Hastings Ismay put it, was to "Keep the Yanks in, the Russians out and the Germans down." NATO and the IMF are the instruments of military and financial extortion of the Atlanticist-Zionist bloc.
Germany isn’t ran by Jews and has very few in government. Overrepresentation of Jews in German government ended in the 1930s. So what is your point here?
The demilitarization of Ukraine. The creation of a neutral/ friendly buffer state in rump Ukraine, and the control of the entire Black Sea coast providing a land bridge to Transnistria. That means that whatever is left of the Zionazi element will be confined to a small, land locked western region which will probably be divided up between Poland and Hungary.
You are telling me the original plan. That isn’t an explanation.
Tell me the exact scenario this plan defends against compared to existing borders.
Keep in mind that missiles in Atlantic submarines are less than 5 minutes from Moscow.
To my knowledge, NATO has still not placed active nukes in Poland
Well we know for certain that they are in Germany and the missiles are Mach 5 which is 1.5 km per second.
Besides, NATO does not have the means to win a conventional war with Russia in Eastern Europe.
It has been known for years that a nuclear war between Russia and NATO would destroy the world. Are you not aware of this?
That is why none of this makes any sense. Nukes from German, Poland, Ukraine, Atlantic subs, it doesn’t matter. So I’d like to know exactly how killing thousands of Whites and creating a puppet state prevents missiles from destroying Moscow.
Putin has already backed away from that explanation so you might want to re-think it. He has switched to taking Donbas as the justification for the war. His NATO explanation never made sense and not a single person here has explained it in the context of Mach 5 missiles, especially since Ukraine doesn’t even qualify for NATO and is not invited.
International Jewry will lose big time in Ukraine, whether Israel gets a better price on oil or not. Israel is not really a major geopolitical player
Do explain how. You don’t seem to deny that Israel gets cheap oil from this war. So clearly you acknowledge that a country filled with Jews will benefit. So wealthy influential Jews like Soros will lose somehow? Explain all this.
Obviously nobody here has access to the Russian General Staff's plans, but the course of events indicates this as a probable scenario. Such a scenario- especially that of a neutral/friendly buffer state with a capital in Kiev -would provide a possibility for such a state to integrate into the Eurasian economy, and once that state gains de jure recognition, provide for a demilitarized zone between Russia and NATO. From the standpoint of Russian security, it's a no brainer.
Tell me the exact scenario this plan defends against compared to existing borders.
Keep in mind that Russian submarines in the Atlantic can also strike the eastern seaboard in less than 5 minutes.
Keep in mind that missiles in Atlantic submarines are less than 5 minutes from Moscow.
An answer to the first part: ask the US DOS, the CIA and the Maidan regime about the killing of ethnic Russians. In the last eight years, they murdered 14,000 of them in Donbass. As to the second part, a Russian friendly puppet state is preferable to the current NATO puppet state.
I’d like to know exactly how killing thousands of Whites and creating a puppet state prevents missiles from destroying Moscow.
Ukrainians once lived in relative harmony
I( quit reading at that point. That statement is only true if you a loose definition of “harmony.” Ukrainians were routinely the object of discrimination in the Soviet Union. Unless you were “Great Russian” you would not go far in the Soviet Military.
Statements about Ukraine being fascist or empowering fascists are nothing but Putinist lies. Russia is a fascist state with Putin at the top of the political and corruption heap.
And even if the Budapest memorandum was not binding, but an MOU
It was not an MOU. It was a signed agreement like any other and ends with:
This Memorandum will become applicable upon
signature
Why don’t you read the actual text before commenting:
https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2014/eirv41n08-20140221/34-35_4108.pdf
Russia signed an agreement whereby they acknowledge the borders of Ukraine which includes Crimea.
The deal was that Ukraine hands over their nukes in exchange for Russian recognition of their sovereignty.
Here is the actual text that they signed and agreed to:
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to
Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE
[Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe]
Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty
and the existing borders of Ukraine.
That included Crimea which historically has spent more time under the Turks than the Russians. Another little tidbit you won’t hear on Russian State TV.
the Autonomous Republic of Crimea terminated their membership of the Ukraine
There is no Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
Crimea was annexed by Russia. They are under Russian law which means they lost their right to vote for their political leaders.
They are a Russian enclave.
If you disagree then feel free to tell me when their next presidential election is.
The Russian Federation never invaded or annexed the Autonomous Republic of Crimea; there were already RF military forces in Crimea, but they were there entirely legally because of a treaty between RF and Ukraine for which the RF paid a large sum to Ukraine.
You are making stuff up. There was never a large sum paid to Ukraine. Russia sent in “green little men” (soldiers pretending to be rebels) and they took it by force. Then they held a scam election that no one believed since 25% of the population is Ukrainian but the vote was 97% for joining Russia. Well that scam election was their last one. Now they live under the dictatorship of Putin and their economy has been in decline ever since.
Have a look at life under the great dictatorship from a non-Western source:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/the-devastating-human-economic-costs-of-crimeas-annexation
It was not necessary to state this explicitly because such activity was automatically subsumed under the stricter provision in Point 10. of both agreements:
Not reinforcing the separatist militias with weapons was not among terms of the Minsk agreement.
The opposition leaders were already in government and therefore did not need to be "selected". These leaders also did not need to be installed by the US because they were the natural choice by the parliamentary majority to play a prominent role in the new government. Your peculiar interpretation of the tapped phone conversation is completely delusional in light of the actual facts, which contradict the presumptions you made.
...the US not only installed but also selected the new government...
Like all the other promoters of the fake Russian narrative, you want to pretend that an understanding reached in negotiations in 1990 pertaining to Germany necessarily also covered any and all possible future circumstances that could not have even have been foreseen at the time, which is absurd on its face. I have previously linked to an interview with Gorbachev with a Russian publication a few years ago, in which he confirmed what is obvious, that the agreement, which has been kept, referred to Germany and not other countries.
That agreement has not been kept...
Once again you are denying the obvious, while at the same time creating false arguments which you probably expect me to refute now. This is stupid and boring.
First of all, to withdraw illegal armed groups and equipment from Ukraine does not obligate Russia of anything. The agreement was not between Ukraine and Russia, but between Ukraine and the republics of Donbass.
Second, it doesn’t follow – either automatically or otherwise, even with Talmudic dialectics applied here in an idiotic manner, that Russia had to refrain from reinforcing the militias with weapons.
Likewise, there are articles from respectable sources, none of which can be accused of being pro-Russian and it’s in those references where you can find the reasoning which is, as you say, completely ludicrous.
Before you ever try again to argue with me take Ritalin or something. Your logic and reasoning are so weak it’s unworthy of my time, so go play somewhere.
If something is so obvious then you should have provided an irrefutable argument or undisputed fact to support it, but you can't do this if it actually a lie that gets repeated often. In fact, you have even obfuscated what specific issue you are referring to.
Once again you are denying the obvious...
According to the information you cited, Russia signed on, so the banning of weapons inside the Donbass applied to it also, even though it is a peripheral party in the conflict.
The agreement was not between Ukraine and Russia...
Since you are incapable of logical reasoning I will have to explain: As soon as Russia brought weapons or fighters into Ukraine to reinforce the terrorists (technically not illegal because not explicitly forbidden) it would already be obliged by the terms of the agreement to withdraw them as soon as they crossed the border, so they could never even be deployed. You have attempted to come up with a contorted rationale to justify Russia's violation of the agreement and intentionally prolonging the conflict, which it initiated in 2014, for the reasons I have explained.
...it doesn’t follow...that Russia had to refrain from reinforcing the militias with weapons.
That is irrelevant and not in dispute. It is your illogical interpretation of what is documented in the article that I have exposed as false – which Gorbachev also confirmed as such. And, as I have pointed out, you cannot refute the terms of the 1997 Paris agreement, in which Russia consented to future NATO eastward expansion.
...there are articles from respectable sources, none of which can be accused of being pro-Russian...
A funny projection of your own inadequacy and failure. I must therefore conclude that this is a cryptic concession on your part for having lost the arguments; this must be the standard operating mode of paid Russian trolls and deluded cultists nowadays, a variation of standard name-calling. Thanks to you, readers may now reflexively associate the handle "Dragon" with Idiot.Replies: @Here Be Dragon
Before you ever try again to argue with me...logic and reasoning are so weak it’s unworthy of my time, so go play somewhere.
He once made a young German woman break down in tears at a party due to this behavior.
poor thing.
Had been trained in being a good doggie only to be confronted with someone who didn’t buy it. No wonder she cried.
You link to a Wikipedia article to support this claim. The Wikipedia article itself relies primarily on secondary sources (i.e. purely subjective) books and commentaries, which obviously are heavy with assertions and limited as far as actual facts go. Primary sources please? Why don't you pull up the text of the Nuremberg laws themselves. Strangely enough, no one ever cares to do so 😊 (I wonder why?), preferring instead to characterize them based on preconceived notions of what the laws are supposed to mean. The laws in question only protect the rights of German citizens vis-a-vis foreigners (of which Jews are included for good reason), which is basically no different from what any other nation does, Israel being a good case in point. The Nuremberg Laws are domestic laws intended for internal application within Germany, which is its right as a sovereign nation. You disingenuously drew some connection between Nuremberg Laws and German foreign policy, the invasion of Ukraine and Russia, etc. Total non-sequitur. How Germany conducts its foreign policy in a time of war has nothing to do with Nuremberg Laws. It was in fact German policy to cooperate with "non-Aryan" people on a political level. There were no "black" people in Germany to regard as "untermensch." It was the United States that practiced segregation and Jim Crow. Funny how the victor nation projects its own shortcomings onto the loser nation, huh? What about Great Britain and its colonies? Israel and Palestine? How did the Soviet Union treat the white Slavic Russians living within its own territorial domain? LOL Double standards anyone?Can you show me any mention of racial ideology in the text of the Nuremberg Laws? It is the commenters and interpreters who project their own biases onto these laws, not the laws themselves that appeal to racial ideology. This is what is called isogesis, as opposed to exogesis. I recommend that you look it up the distinction.Replies: @anon
In the meantime, on the basis of Nazi racial policy all Slavic people, Jews, Roma and black people were considerd Untermenschen or “subhuman” and “inferior people” who, if at all possible, were to be exterminated in one way or another.
As far as Jews being treated as foreigners go, did Jews in Germany even consider themselves German? No. How did Jews respond to Napoleon’s offer of assimilation? Did they accept it? No. In fact, they believe they have a divine right to rule over other nations. Let’s not beat a dead horse though.
In the meantime, on the basis of Nazi racial policy all Slavic people, Jews, Roma and black people were considerd Untermenschen or “subhuman” and “inferior people” who, if at all possible, were to be exterminated in one way or another.
You link to a Wikipedia article to support this claim. The Wikipedia article itself relies primarily on secondary sources (i.e. purely subjective) books and commentaries, which obviously are heavy with assertions and limited as far as actual facts go.
Primary sources please? Why don’t you pull up the text of the Nuremberg laws themselves. Strangely enough, no one ever cares to do so 😊 (I wonder why?), preferring instead to characterize them based on preconceived notions of what the laws are supposed to mean.
The laws in question only protect the rights of German citizens vis-a-vis foreigners (of which Jews are included for good reason), which is basically no different from what any other nation does, Israel being a good case in point.
The Nuremberg Laws are domestic laws intended for internal application within Germany, which is its right as a sovereign nation. You disingenuously drew some connection between Nuremberg Laws and German foreign policy, the invasion of Ukraine and Russia, etc. Total non-sequitur. How Germany conducts its foreign policy in a time of war has nothing to do with Nuremberg Laws. It was in fact German policy to cooperate with “non-Aryan” people on a political level. There were no “black” people in Germany to regard as “untermensch.” It was the United States that practiced segregation and Jim Crow. Funny how the victor nation projects its own shortcomings onto the loser nation, huh? What about Great Britain and its colonies? Israel and Palestine? How did the Soviet Union treat the white Slavic Russians living within its own territorial domain? LOL Double standards anyone?
Can you show me any mention of racial ideology in the text of the Nuremberg Laws? It is the commenters and interpreters who project their own biases onto these laws, not the laws themselves that appeal to racial ideology. This is what is called isogesis, as opposed to exogesis. I recommend that you look it up the distinction.
He looks to me like a decently educated disinformation agent. Too much centrally relevant information ignored.
The depth of craftiness in the liars behind the curtain cannot be overestimated. Here’s an account of how the editors of the London Times censored reports on the Communist Russia revolution from their top reporter in Russia at the behest of Zionists in England. From the deeply researched book by legendary WWII reporter Douglas Reed,
The Controversy of Zion, Chapter 32 The World Revolution Again
http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Controversybook_eng_32.htm
«He also didn’t mention the 1994 Budapest Memorandum where Russia agreed to recognize the autonomy and borders of Ukraine which included Crimea.»
And even if the Budapest memorandum was not binding, but an MOU, it has been fully respected by the Russian Federation: the Autonomous Republic of Crimea terminated their membership of the Ukraine, which is an absolute right under the U.N. Charter, and applied for the second time for membership of the Russian Federation. Just like in 1991 Ukraine terminated their membership of the USSR and later applied for membership of the EU. On their second application for Russian Federation membership, it was accepted. The first time it was refused:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26681653
”Because Mr Meshkov was the first – and so far only – president of Crimea. He was elected in 1994, by a landslide, on a platform of reuniting the Ukrainian peninsula with Russia. Like an eager suitor, he hopped on a plane to Moscow… only to find his overtures to Boris Yeltsin rebuffed. The Russian president was far too concerned with building a relationship with the West”
The Russian Federation never invaded or annexed the Autonomous Republic of Crimea; there were already RF military forces in Crimea, but they were there entirely legally because of a treaty between RF and Ukraine for which the RF paid a large sum to Ukraine.
Similarly the Russian Federation did not invade the Donbas in 2014 to defend it against the war of aggression and ethnic cleansing started by the ukrainian government, because it was an internal matter in Ukraine, as the Donbas region wanted mere autonomy within Ukraine, rather than independence.
When the Donbas regions did declare independence on 16 February 2022, the Russian Federation recognized that independence, signed a treaty of mutual defense with the Donbas republics, and waited a week for the ukrainian government attacks against the Donbas to stop, and since those attacks instead increased, a week later it counterattacked (rather than invaded) together with the armed forces of the Donbas republics. The only significant legal question is whether the counterattack went too far.
Fully legally under U.N. Charter rules, and far more legally than the war of aggression by NATO against Yugoslavia, which was “morally” justified by made up claims of widespread atrocities.
Which long term security goals are being achieved?
The demilitarization of Ukraine. The creation of a neutral/ friendly buffer state in rump Ukraine, and the control of the entire Black Sea coast providing a land bridge to Transnistria. That means that whatever is left of the Zionazi element will be confined to a small, land locked western region which will probably be divided up between Poland and Hungary.
NATO nukes in Poland are still minutes from Moscow so do explain how encouraging the expansion of NATO (Finland and Sweden now interested in joining) and an increase in military spending by Western nations was worth killing over 60k Ukrainians and Russians.</blockquote
To my knowledge, NATO has still not placed active nukes in Poland, but the strike which destroyed its training base in Yavorov (near Lvov) showed its leadership that Russia does indeed mean business and can strike via conventional means anywhere in Europe.
Besides, NATO does not have the means to win a conventional war with Russia in Eastern Europe. Its leadership may be insane but hopefully not insane enough to trigger a nuclear conflict.
Ploy of Atlanticist-Zionists? Do explain how Jews lose in all this given that Israel doesn’t have to boycott Russian energy and in fact will get cheaper oil.
International Jewry will lose big time in Ukraine, whether Israel gets a better price on oil or not. Israel is not really a major geopolitical player- it is a center of operations for one branch of Zionism; acquiring Ukraine and Crimea were a major goal of the Zionists thwarted by Stalin when he gave them Birobidjan instead. This was one of the major motivations of the Maidan coup- led by the wife of the arch-neocon Kagan. They wanted a restored Kingdom of Khazaria.
Germany isn’t ran by Jews and has very few in government. Overrepresentation of Jews in German government ended in the 1930s. So what is your point here?
Germany isn’t run by Germans either, in the sense of political control. It’s a NATO satrap, and NATO’s purpose, as Hastings Ismay put it, was to “Keep the Yanks in, the Russians out and the Germans down.” NATO and the IMF are the instruments of military and financial extortion of the Atlanticist-Zionist bloc.
«The hapless, but arrogant Polak regime would likely be obdurate. If they wake up and smell the coffee, they along with the other countries could draw their borders with Ukraine and Banderistan along the northern face of the Carpathian Mountains…a reasonably good defensive barrier.»
The polish-lithuanian-ruthenian empire that they fantasize recreating extended to the Black Sea coast, the “Intermarium”. They would think themselves traitors to leave behind that fantasy.
«Of course, all these recipient countries would be obliged to declare their neutrality and perhaps even abandon NATO to its devices.»
That’s not a realistic option: they are USA protectorates, and their elites would not be allowed to “betray liberal democracy”.
If one is to call the Bolsheviks “Revolutionaries”, it would be revolting against the various forces of reform in order to replace those possibly well-meaning intentions with their damnable “dictatorship of the proletariat
What do you mean “if one is to call”? They referred to themselves as revolutionaries.
They did not accept the provincial government and wanted to achieve the following:
1. Elimination of all competing parties including Democratic Socialists
2. Elimination of religion (though Judaism and Islam were given a pass)
3. Elimination of free speech
4. Elimination of Russian identity
5. Elimination of private property
6. Implementation of a Bolshevik dictatorship with absolute power
Yes that is revolutionary. It doesn’t matter that they were fighting fellow revolutionaries. Same thing happened in the Spanish Civil war.
The Communists wanted a complete re-ordering of society which was far more revolutionary than anything the world had seen prior to 1917. We don’t say that one group is no longer revolutionary just because they are fighting an existing revolution.
The Bolsheviks described themselves as revolutionary and their actions are well within the standard definition. They wanted an expansion of power to the Communist party and not a democratic government.
Similar occurrences came about in Mao’s China, where sons of the party elite became known as essentially untouchable “Princelings”. Same basic M.O. and the same result.
So what? Dictatorships lead to elitism and favoritism which was well known before 1917. Karlton Marx didn’t care at all about the lessons learned from the Greeks, Romans or French. Farther Marx knows best and swears a dictatorship will work this time cause your local union will be running the show. Genius plan.
Thanks God the Germans gave the Communists a swift defeat early on. Too bad the Russians have proven themselves time and again to be comfortable with loser dictators like Stalin and Putin. They really do seem to have serf genes as some have suggested. A domesticated people.
And Unz is incorrect!
He [Unz]pointed out comments by top Nazi figures consistent with their view that Slavs were inferior and that they should be allowed to kill their own babies before birth (abortion) or themselves prevent the conception of their children, whereas they thought that Germanic people should not be allowed to kill their babies or use contraception. Unz didn’t say that was good; he said it was not genocide.
The inhumanity, the denigration of races, the labelling of one (or more) races as being inferior, opens the door to the abandonment of MORALITY, opens the door to the descent into HELL!
comments by top Nazi figures consistent with their view that Slavs were inferior
Western Imperialists, of which the Zionist and Nazi iterations are just two evil branches
With that single phrase, you place the entirety of your ignorance on display.
There is only one race.
And with that one, you underscore it.
You have some homework to do, Doc.
“For the record, it should be noted that Zelensky won the presidential election in April of 2019 against the incumbent Poroshenko with 73% of the vote. His election platform was based on establishing good relations with Russia and promising to enact the Minsk agreement with Donetsk and Lugansk. Obviously, this is what the bulk of the Ukrainian population wanted. However, Zelensky totally backed off from these electoral promises, seemingly because of threats to his life by the Azov-Nazis. So this shows the power of these reactionary forces.”
Or maybe it shows that Zelinsky was a lying sack of shit (like basically ALL politicians, more or less.)
Being a willing pawn/whore (with his ownership split between oligarch Ihor Kolomoiski and the USA neocons) that allows his people to be used as cannon fodder by the USA/NAZO for their political ends, and NOT for the real needs of those very citizens, seems to pay incredibly well, indeed: https://sputniknews.com/20220426/wheres-the-money-zelensky-dutch-party-asks-ukraines-prez-to-account-for-850-mln-personal-wealth-1095067872.html
I expect you are right.
Russia is winning this war on the battlefield decisively, and in doing so, is achieving its long term security goals both in a geopolitical and economic sense.
Which long term security goals are being achieved?
NATO nukes in Poland are still minutes from Moscow so do explain how encouraging the expansion of NATO (Finland and Sweden now interested in joining) and an increase in military spending by Western nations was worth killing over 60k Ukrainians and Russians.
By demanding boycotts on Russian energy, this may be the Atlanticist-Zionists’ final ploy to achieve a “kill two birds with one stone”
Ploy of Atlanticist-Zionists? Do explain how Jews lose in all this given that Israel doesn’t have to boycott Russian energy and in fact will get cheaper oil.
Try explaining using logic and reason.
the pastoralization and total impoverishment of Europe. Germany, as the heart of Europe, cannot survive as an industrial power without Russian energy and agricultural imports.
Germany isn’t ran by Jews and has very few in government. Overrepresentation of Jews in German government ended in the 1930s. So what is your point here?
The demilitarization of Ukraine. The creation of a neutral/ friendly buffer state in rump Ukraine, and the control of the entire Black Sea coast providing a land bridge to Transnistria. That means that whatever is left of the Zionazi element will be confined to a small, land locked western region which will probably be divided up between Poland and Hungary.
Which long term security goals are being achieved?
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NATO nukes in Poland are still minutes from Moscow so do explain how encouraging the expansion of NATO (Finland and Sweden now interested in joining) and an increase in military spending by Western nations was worth killing over 60k Ukrainians and Russians.</blockquoteTo my knowledge, NATO has still not placed active nukes in Poland, but the strike which destroyed its training base in Yavorov (near Lvov) showed its leadership that Russia does indeed mean business and can strike via conventional means anywhere in Europe. Besides, NATO does not have the means to win a conventional war with Russia in Eastern Europe. Its leadership may be insane but hopefully not insane enough to trigger a nuclear conflict.International Jewry will lose big time in Ukraine, whether Israel gets a better price on oil or not. Israel is not really a major geopolitical player- it is a center of operations for one branch of Zionism; acquiring Ukraine and Crimea were a major goal of the Zionists thwarted by Stalin when he gave them Birobidjan instead. This was one of the major motivations of the Maidan coup- led by the wife of the arch-neocon Kagan. They wanted a restored Kingdom of Khazaria.
Ploy of Atlanticist-Zionists? Do explain how Jews lose in all this given that Israel doesn’t have to boycott Russian energy and in fact will get cheaper oil.
Germany isn't run by Germans either, in the sense of political control. It's a NATO satrap, and NATO's purpose, as Hastings Ismay put it, was to "Keep the Yanks in, the Russians out and the Germans down." NATO and the IMF are the instruments of military and financial extortion of the Atlanticist-Zionist bloc.
Germany isn’t ran by Jews and has very few in government. Overrepresentation of Jews in German government ended in the 1930s. So what is your point here?
The US is also itching for the Poles to get into a stupid fight and the Poles are servile enough to do it.
And if he won’t go voluntarily…
I appreciate the brief recap of historical events in this global hotspot. It does challenge the US’ and West’s contention that we operate from noble ideals.
I, for one, admire Putin for what he feels forced to do. The US and NATO deserve a good spanking.
Russia is winning this war on the battlefield decisively, and in doing so, is achieving its long term security goals both in a geopolitical and economic sense.
Everyone who claims to know what the “Russian playbook” is or what the plans of the General Staff were at the beginning of the conflict is either lying or has no idea about what this Russia-NATO conflict is about.
Time, logistics, and firepower are on the Russians’ side.
This is not about the “defeat” of Russia, it is about weakening the Russian strategic position and achieving a complete rupture between Russia and the EU.
The first objective will fail. Nations-representing 80% of the world’s population- have refused to comply with any sanctions regime.
The big losers are the EU nations- particularly Germany.
By demanding boycotts on Russian energy, this may be the Atlanticist-Zionists’ final ploy to achieve a “kill two birds with one stone” approach via weakening Russia and the final implementation of the Morgenthau Plan – the pastoralization and total impoverishment of Europe. Germany, as the heart of Europe, cannot survive as an industrial power without Russian energy and agricultural imports.
Yet these White Europeans keep fighting endlessly among themselves. White people never learn from history. They keep killing each other in great numbers even as their women refuse to have babies to replace the men getting killed. Who keeps instigating all these Brother’s Wars? What is the predominant ethnic group composing the Neocons?
Putin is a dictator and started this war. Putin could end it with a single command.
Sorry but you can’t blame this one on the Jews.
The problem is that an insecure loser is in charge of the world’s largest country and is probably terminal.
Russia has had a negative birth rate for decades so his defenders can’t even argue that Russian culture has that advantage over the west. Their economy has also been in decline for a decade which shows that Putin understands economics about as well as war strategy.
A dying country attacking a smaller neighbor for reasons that the little boots dictator can’t even keep consistent. First it was NATO, then Neo-Nazis, and now Donbass.
If Russian soldiers could vote the outcome then this war would be over. They would go back to their borders and curse Putin as a lunatic. There are thousands of reports showing Russian soldiers were not only duped but given lousy equipment.
A horrible and needless war that reduces the White global minority even further. And Israel profits but don’t bother explaining that to that so-called White Nationalists at Unz that consider any dissenting viewpoint to be Jewish. A real brain trust.
«the animus between the two parties goes back to the establishment of the USSR. So much so, that the Ukraine fought the USSR during WWII and actually had an army of over 1M men to ensure their territorial integrity. It took the Soviets more than five years of additional war effort to subjugate the ‘partisans’ »
That’s the usual terminology takeover: that was the *ruthenian* fascist xenophobes, from northern and southern Ruthenia, in what was before WW2 eastern Poland, and they fought with the nazis against the USSR, and then a proxy war, funded by the USA, against the USSR, once the nazis were defeated.
Those ruthenian xenophobe fascists are like the polish xenophobe fascists dreaming of the prometheist “Intermarium” and recreating the lithuanian-polish-ruthenian empire that was defeated in 1795 by Catherine II.
In older times “Ukraine” indicated the area around Dnipro, where the “malorossians” ended up living, and the term has been appropriated by the ruthenian xenophobe fascists to lay claim to both halves, the ruthenian west and the ukrainian east (just like it had been appropriated by the soviets for the same purpose).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenian_language
https://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/articles/2007/04/16/marina_lewycka_rony_robinson_feature.shtml
«I even found my family on the internet! I found my mother’s 88 year old sister which meant I could go back to Ukraine as an insider not just a tourist. I really saw both halves of the country that way; westward-looking Kiev which is Catholic and very different from the east, which is a lot closer to the Soviet Union. A lot of people speak Russian in the east so in Ukraine there are two very disparate cultures in one country.»
http://ww2today.com/1-march-1944-the-red-army-marches-across-ukraine
«The population welcomed us warmly, regardless of how hard it was for them to provide food to soldiers; they always found some nice treats — some villagers boiled chicken, others boiled potatoes and cut lard (soldiers dubbed this kind of catering ‘a grandmother’s ration’). However, such attitudes were common only in the Eastern Ukraine.
As soon as we entered the Western Ukraine, that had passed to the Soviet Union from Poland in 1940, the attitude of the population was quite different — people hid from us in their houses, as they disliked and feared the Muscovites and Kastaps [a disparaging name for Russians in Ukraine – translators comment]. Besides that, those places were Bandera areas, where the nationalistic movement was quite strong.»
We want WWIII
AS RUSSIA ADVANCES IN DONBASS WEST ‘SEEKS VICTORY’ IN UKRAINE, INVITING DISASTER INSTEAD
«The potent Soviet Army was still in East Europe.»
By 1990 the USSR armed forces were paper tigers, and after the USSR collapse all USSR secrets were sold cheaply, and NATO experts had access to all records and evidence, and they found that the USSR armed forced were much weaker than the USA industrial-military complex propaganda had made look like, from the non-existent “missile gap” onwards.
One of the reasons why the USSR collapsed is that it could no longer afford to import cereals to feed its cities, and while the military was prioritized, I doubt the USSR could feed the military either; there were many stories of USSR regiments raising pigs and chickens and farming allotments to feed themselves.
Love how Ron makes it so easy to ignore some comments. It’s almost like,,,sniff,,,victory.
They’ve built several enormous bunkers. The place is flooded with AKs, RPG7 and Kornets. I’m not sure the Ukrainians have much offensive capability tbh. They’d have as much trouble if not more than the Russians had around Kiev. The Ukrainians would have to use their best assault formations to make a dent in Transnistria. Then what? Kill women and children?
Nah. I expect the Ukies to defend hard around Kharkov and Dnipro and Zaparozdia on the Dneiper. That’s when their strategic reserve gets used, if they got one.
Sum offus hope the where will spread to Manhattan and DC.
Some, not.
«Primarily through the battles fought by Soviet forces, Nazi Germany was defeated»
That is a famous myth: while the USSR had the largest losses, it had been defeated by the Nazi militarily, and would have collapsed without the enormous support (e.g. the Murmasnk convoys) of USA supplies. WW2 in Europe (like WW1) was won by the USA financial and industrial power, while UK, France, USSR, etc. had run out of money and had been militarily defeated. The USA in WW2 produced 300,000 fighter planes per year, and made in a few year 151 aircraft carrier (a large percentage of them big carriers). My usual quotes:
«Nonetheless, John Maynard Keynes, the chief economic advisor to the new Labour Government, warned ministers in August 1945 that Britain’s world role was a burden which ‘… there is no reasonable expectation of our being able to carry …’ As he pointed out, the entire British war effort, including all her overseas military commitments, had only been made possible by American subsidies under the Lend-Lease programme.»
«From as early as August 1941 – just two months after the Nazi invasion of the USSR – American convoy ships supplied the Soviets with what would eventually amount to more than 14,000 airplanes, 44,000 jeeps, 375,000 trucks, 8,000 tractors and 12,000 tanks. Not to mention 1.5 million blankets, 15 million pairs of army boots, 2.6 million tons of petroleum products and 4.4 million tons of food supplies.
“The Americans gave us so many goods without which we wouldn’t have been able to form our reserves and continue the war”, admitted Georgy Zhukov, one of the Soviet Union’s most famous WWII generals.»
You can find the same info in several articles on this site or in Hoover's posthumously published wartime memoirs, Freedom Betrayed.
Hoover would document his conversations with the various people he met with. An example is provided of Hoover’s meeting with Kennedy on May 15, 1945. Kennedy indicated he had over 900 dispatches which he could not print without consent of the U.S. Government. He hoped one day to receive such permission as it was Kennedy’s intention to write a book that would:…put an entirely different color on the process of how America got into the war and would prove the betrayal of the American people by Franklin D, Roosevelt.…Roosevelt and Bullitt were the major factors in the British making their guarantees to Poland and becoming involved in the war. Kennedy said that Bullitt, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the Poles not to make terms with the Germans and that he Kennedy, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the British to make guarantees to the Poles.He said that after Chamberlain had given these guarantees, Chamberlain told him (Kennedy) that he hoped the Americans and the Jews would now be satisfied but that he (Chamberlain) felt that he had signed the doom of civilization.Kennedy said that if it had not been for Roosevelt the British would not have made this most gigantic blunder in history.Kennedy told me that he thought Roosevelt was in communication with Churchill, who was the leader of the opposition to Chamberlain, before Chamberlain was thrown out of office….
Where are we heading now? In the Book of Daniel, we read, “And both these kings [Great Britain and Russia.
The Russo Ukraine war ought to be renamed the Russo-Talmudonudelman War.
Understandingwar is run by a Kagan Nudalman.
I enjoyed Mr. Ryan’s historical summary, though I must admit I learned nothing new. In discussing Ukraine’s post-WWII history, I was surprised that he didn’t at least mention the role that Khrushchev, a native Ukrainian, played in gifting Crimea to Ukraine to administer instead of keeping it under Russian control.
He also didn’t mention the 1994 Budapest Memorandum where Russia agreed to recognize the autonomy and borders of Ukraine which included Crimea.
Funny that most of the Putin cheerleaders also fail to mention that agreement. It’s almost as if it undermines Putin’s reasons for the war which have actually changed three times now.
Why did Pelosi go to Ukraine? Was she trying to cover up some of her own criminality in that highly corrupt nation? (not because of its regular citizens) We know about Hillary and the Clinton Foundations involvement. Why did so many of our leaders go there? Was Ukraine one of the ideal vacation spots of the world? lol
Many believe, even in Russia, that Khrushchev was a Ukrainian. But this is not quite true. Firstly, Khrushchev was born in the Kursk province (Russia), in the village of Kalinovka. It’s on the border with Ukraine. Khrushchev did not speak Ukrainian. Nina Kukharchuk – Khrushchev’s third wife was Ukrainian. Since 1922, Khrushchev lived and worked in the Donetsk region. From 1938 to 1947 Khrushchev held high positions in the Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev’s ethnic origin is a controversial issue…
Why did Khrushchev give the Russian Crimea to Ukraine….? Even under Stalin, the Jewish diaspora had its own interests regarding the status of Crimea in the future. Under Stalin, they failed to create their own autonomy there. Khrushchev, having come to power, held the XX Congress of the CPSU.(condemnation of Stalin) . It is much easier to take Crimea from Ukraine than from Russia.
It is more correct to ask the question like this – Was Khrushchev a Trotskyist? I think not. But, It was under Secretary General Khrushchev that the return to the idea of a world revolution immediately catches the eye in the foreign policy of the USSR.
Stalinism = Socialism in one country. Trotskyism = Permanent revolution.
Trotsky(Bronstein) believed that a new workers’ state would not be able to hold out against the pressures of a hostile capitalist world unless socialist revolutions quickly took hold in other countries as well.
Modern Trotskyists = American Neocons( William Kristol and Robert Kagan) with their PNAC project.
Brest Litovsk lives on as the actual demarcation of the Russia / Europe border. What the writer does not want to admit is that after 10 weeks of war, the Russians are worse off than before the start of the war. It’s also costing them over 2B USD/week. The second part of this problem is that, it wouldn’t matter HOW much NATO or the EU/USA gives IN aid to Ukraine, if the Ukrainians didn’t fight. You can read the actual war progress on a neutral website; https://understandingwar.org/
Finally, the animus between the two parties goes back to the establishment of the USSR. So much so, that the Ukraine fought the USSR during WWII and actually had an army of over 1M men to ensure their territorial integrity. It took the Soviets more than five years of additional war effort to subjugate the ‘partisans’ but not before elements of these took over the government of Ukraine and the USSR in the 1950’s, giving the USSR the only period in its history of a POSITIVE growth on its GDP. UPA – Ukrainska Povstanska Armia (Ukrainian Insurgent Army), this is from https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/ukraine-40s.htm, where the numbers are substantially understated by Soviet archivists.
Livadia and the other places in Yalta are still open for business – but we don’t want any BS Americans – anymore. And I’ll lead the opposition against them and try to ……….. them.
US-Russia confrontation must be understood within the greater context of the collective west- Russia struggle which has existed at least since the times of Alexander Nevsky and the Northern Crusades.
(The fact that Svyatoslav destroyed the slave trading Khazarian Empire must also be a driving factor.)
While Peter the Great did much to aggrandize Russia, his westernization process was essentially antagonistic to the Russian world. Russia is within the sphere of Christendom yet not circumscribed by the strictly European/Renaissance/Enlightenment quantitative world view of the autonomous individual bound to purely contractual legalism.
As the inimitable Kerry Bolton has pointed out, the Russian worldview is more anchored to the people’s historical and spiritual collective- the rodina and thus a fertile ground for messianism. This messianism is a purely Russian one rooted in Orthodoxy, not “scientific socialism” ( Marxism was largely a creature of classical British economics) or “social revolution,” both alien to
As Bolton points out, Stalin the Georgian understood that, in order to build his socialism in one state, he would have to resort to resurrecting the authentic Russian culture, spiritual tradition and society. For this, of course, he earned the undying enmity of Davidovich Bronstein as is evinced in the seventh chapter of “The Revolution Betrayed”- with a very vitriolic reaction to the restoration of the traditional family unit.
The Stalin-Trotsky schism was, I believe, one of the chief causes of the subsequent Cold War. The other was that Stalin insisted on the USSR having veto power at the UNSC.
Trotsky’s spiritual descendants became the most ardent Cold Warriors, neocons, and social revolutionaries. They made the US the base for world revolution and continue to do so today under the guise of “democracy” and globohomo.
{ Khrushchev, a native Ukrainian,}
Khrushchev was ethnic Russian, but he grew up in Ukraine and was very fond of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.
You are correct that if Putin had liberated Donbass at the time ofCrimea, things would be different now. But, here is my guess why he didn’t:
– He knew the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization would do what they are doing now: sanctions, arms to UkroNazis, the whole ball of wax……
– He needed time to insulate Russia from West’s financial weapons (e.g. SWIFT etc.), and strengthen links with China.
– He needed time to perfect his new weapons, e.g. Kinzal, and train new professional troops.
– Donbass republics crushed the UkroNazi army in 2014/2015: Putin had no reason at the time; ethnic Russians of Donbass were not in any immediate danger of ethnic cleansing or mass murder by UkroNazis.
– He probably figured that Germany and/or France would force Kiev to abide by the 2014/2015 Minsk peace agreement, which they were obligated to do. (…I guess Putin figured them wrong…)
But I think the biggest mistake was made by Gorbachev, who let USSR dissolve so haphazardly and based solely on West/NATO verbal promises. Gorbachev was in a good position to return Crimea to Russian SSR before the dissolution, plus Donbass, before agreeing to anything. The potent Soviet Army was still in East Europe. He could have also taken steps to ensure Ukraine would remain neutral (or neutered). What Putin is trying to do now at great cost: close off Ukraine’s access to the Black Sea.
Not reinforcing the separatist militias with weapons was not among terms of the Minsk agreement.
It was not necessary to state this explicitly because such activity was automatically subsumed under the stricter provision in Point 10. of both agreements:
“10. To withdraw illegal armed groups and military equipment as well as fighters and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.”
If military equipment must be withdrawn then it is necessarily not permitted to introduce it. Obviously, Russian army troops did not enter the area then, which is why the agreement refers to “fighters and mercenaries“.
Even if some demonstrators at the Maidan were armed with crude weapons during the weeks of protests, this situation is not indicative of a coup. They were obviously upset, primarily by rampant presidential corruption and police violence, so they surely did not need any US guidance to direct their outrage, so to insinuate otherwise reflects an arrogant and patronizing attitude.
…the US not only installed but also selected the new government…
The opposition leaders were already in government and therefore did not need to be “selected“. These leaders also did not need to be installed by the US because they were the natural choice by the parliamentary majority to play a prominent role in the new government. Your peculiar interpretation of the tapped phone conversation is completely delusional in light of the actual facts, which contradict the presumptions you made.
That agreement has not been kept…
Like all the other promoters of the fake Russian narrative, you want to pretend that an understanding reached in negotiations in 1990 pertaining to Germany necessarily also covered any and all possible future circumstances that could not have even have been foreseen at the time, which is absurd on its face. I have previously linked to an interview with Gorbachev with a Russian publication a few years ago, in which he confirmed what is obvious, that the agreement, which has been kept, referred to Germany and not other countries.
Of course you cannot contradict the fact that Russia formally agreed to NATO eastward expansion in 1997, so whatever was said in 1990 was rendered irrelevant. Your entire reasoning is completely ludicrous. Repeating such ridiculous talking points highlights the utter weakness of Russia’s position. Not surprisingly, you have made a fool of yourself by having called me a “shameless liar” even though readers can easily verify my claims to be correct while your assertions and warped interpretations are proven to be false.
And Unz is incorrect!
He [Unz]pointed out comments by top Nazi figures consistent with their view that Slavs were inferior and that they should be allowed to kill their own babies before birth (abortion) or themselves prevent the conception of their children, whereas they thought that Germanic people should not be allowed to kill their babies or use contraception. Unz didn’t say that was good; he said it was not genocide.
The inhumanity, the denigration of races, the labelling of one (or more) races as being inferior, opens the door to the abandonment of MORALITY, opens the door to the descent into HELL!
comments by top Nazi figures consistent with their view that Slavs were inferior
How can you tell a Pole from a Russian from a Ukrainian from a German by looking? You can’t. Yet these White Europeans keep fighting endlessly among themselves. White people never learn from history. They keep killing each other in great numbers even as their women refuse to have babies to replace the men getting killed. Who keeps instigating all these Brother’s Wars? What is the predominant ethnic group composing the Neocons? White people show how vapid they are by listening to scum like Victoria Nuland and fighting her neocon wars.
John Ryan, I understand the hatred for the nazi’s however, the Bolshevik atrocities, 1920 Bolshevik Invasion of Poland, that threatened France and Germany, millions of people dead, 7 million orphans running around Lenin’s Moscow, and the Holodomor are inexcusably omitted in this recital. Viewing all the actors in this present Ukraine Crisis, I ask, Do you see the plan to take up Israel’s flag and plant it in the Pale of the Settlement which is Ukraine today? A Sidney Reilly caper with the long range strategy of ruling Russia from Moscow.
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were to be exterminated in one way or another.
I also agree and note that all he has to cite for support is Wikipedia. I believe Unz has made short work of this canard elsewhere. It’s disappointing when otherwise defensible Russian positions are sullied by lowering them to holohoaxery.
Well, the Russians got us back by enabling the election of Trump in 2016. Without their help, Trump would have lost badly.
"As for Ukraine, after its independence it struggled along, but it wasn’t until 2014 that a cataclysmic event occurred which totally changed the course of history in that country. The USA succeeded in staging a coup d’état which replaced a democratically elected president and installed a regime in which neo-Nazis proceeded to have a major role."
Perhaps a voluntary stay at the local mental health facility would do you some good.
When approached objectively, it is obvious that the Bolsheviks were actually COUNTER-revolutionaries. Various idealistic Marxist fanboys managed through their positions in academia and the mass media managed to muddy the waters on these facts.
If one is to call the Bolsheviks “Revolutionaries”, it would be revolting against the various forces of reform in order to replace those possibly well-meaning intentions with their damnable “dictatorship of the proletariat”, which actually meant dictatorship by the “Vanguard of the Proletariat”, meaning the Khazarian intellectuals who sought, and achieved, all power for their own agendas.
Tito’s #2 in his national communist Yugoslavian regime, Milovan Djilas, after his rupture with Broz, wrote a book which well describes the “Vanguard” nomenklatura. It was poignantly titled “The New Class”. Similar occurrences came about in Mao’s China, where sons of the party elite became known as essentially untouchable “Princelings”. Same basic M.O. and the same result.
Yes, same argument I’ve been making for some weeks now—that the Ukraine SSR be dismantled as the Frankenstein Monster which the Bolsheviks and Soviets created as a strictly administrative structure WITHIN the USSR. All those stolen component parts taken from the nations you cited should be dangled by Russia as carrots desired by those denuded nations. That policy could be made explicit in a diplomatic manner–by a truly neutral third party if required by circumstances.
Romania, Hungary and Slovakia would likely come around in a quiet sort of way, so as not to overly upset the “masters” in City of London and Wall $treet. The hapless, but arrogant Polak regime would likely be obdurate. If they wake up and smell the coffee, they along with the other countries could draw their borders with Ukraine and Banderistan along the northern face of the Carpathian Mountains…a reasonably good defensive barrier.
Of course, all these recipient countries would be obliged to declare their neutrality and perhaps even abandon NATO to its devices. Serbia would quickly join them. Such moves could make for an entirely new continental order in east-central Europe.
Since this war started in Ukraine, there has been an amazing amount of censorship in our “freedom loving” West, with not only all Russian media being censored but also anyone in the West who is critical of the USA’s or the West’s portrayal of events in Ukraine. We are indeed living in interesting times.
Westerns can’t think anymore. The Humanities which used to teach searching for truth, questioning everything, morals, etc have been destroyed by woke activists for last 30 years and the universities run parallel corporate vocation pipeline in STEM or business to just be a cog in the machine and lap up whatever Wall Street is shoveling who don’t question any societal structures and long as they are getting paid and laid.. This has lead to a public that is easily manipulated and TPTB who fully exert this advantage to their advantage. My parents were hippies in the 70s marching against nukes by the tens of thousands. Now on cusp of frekken nuclear war not a peep. It’s a amazing transformation.
This has been in the plans since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Oil was used as a weapon in Afghanistan, and Russia could not respond in the same way as they are doing now, thus USSR was divided. Syria was the main stumbling block to using energy as was done with Afghanistan to attack the Russian, economy. Eliminating the Syrian leadership would have allowed transit of energy to Europe. The West wanted to eliminate Syria and connect gas pipelines from the Middle East and Eastern Mediterranean to Europe through Yugoslavia. This failed due to Russian assistance to Syria. The energy card failed, so they opted to destabilize Ukraine first through color revolutions and when that failed they used the Nazi elements, knowing that Russia had no option but to eliminate this threat to her security. The sad part of this, as Scott Ritter writes, Ukrainian soldiers are being sacrificed for a moment of fame for the comedian Zelensky.
I enjoyed Mr. Ryan’s historical summary, though I must admit I learned nothing new. In discussing Ukraine’s post-WWII history, I was surprised that he didn’t at least mention the role that Khrushchev, a native Ukrainian, played in gifting Crimea to Ukraine to administer instead of keeping it under Russian control. His reasons for doing so remain a mystery; some say he was drunk when he did it.
At the time, Khrushchev’s precipitous action didn’t seem to be a big deal as Ukraine was part of the USSR. But it sure came back to bite Russia when the USSR fell.
Crimea was a part of Russia since 1783, and the majority of its people were ethnic Russians. It’s little wonder that the vast majority voted overwhelmingly to return to Russia in their post-coup referendum.
BTW, if Putin had liberated the Donbas at the same time he liberated Crimea, the world might not be headed to nuclear war. Both Obama and Trump were mostly level-headed, didn’t want war with Russia, and could have solved this problem at the negotiating table, while the US has a senile madman, who cares not for humanity, in the WH today.
It should be added that Zelensky, as a political figure and the Azov group, was created and sponsored by the oligarch Igor Kolomoisky. Kolomoisky also, together with Vadim Rabinovich, created the first Jewish international news channel Jewish News One.
I argue that Americans like me, who trace our ancestry back to the beginnings of this country, and who have seldom left the US, much less spent time in Europe, Asia or Africa, just can not appreciate the turmoil these people have constantly engendered over the last several millennia.
North America is very isolated from the rest of the other continents of the world. And we have no appreciation for what has gone on in other parts of the world, particularly if we do not have ancestors that came here after 1900.
And we want to heed George Washington. But it seems like our foreign policy (and our domestic policy more and more) is being run by people who disdain him.