“I wonder whether a libertarian society also only survive in a libertarian world?”

Obviously none of man’s “societies” survive very long in the modern world. If they aren’t destroyed from the outside they are destroyed from the inside.

However you wish to call man’s world it is still the animal world. Libertarians just want to leave it.

Well the problem was that they didn’t create fractional reserve banking and the printing press.

The Chinese invented paper money. They tried it several times.

It worked out exactly as well as it has worked out for Britain and America.

The difference is the Chinese stopped instead of letting it take down their entire civilization.

Money, the currency, must be under the complete control of the sovereign operating in the best interests of the citizenry.

The power-grab could not be more obvious. Virtue-signallers are always the most vicious.

The Dutch ran a 100% hard-money economy for more than a century.

In general, after the Roman mint went down, no country was “in control” of its money until the BoE, and the latter parts of this era was known as the ‘age of exploration’ not the age of poverty that the BoE almost immediately caused.

You are, of course, required to buy monopoly products. Literally can’t say no.

Technically, this isn’t a joke – you’re required to buy monopoly products, but it’s not by the monopoly, it’s by the government. Violent legal force is the only way to get a meaningful monopoly.

It’s hard to disagree with most of what you wrote and and I’ll keep an eye out for that Richard Werner documentary that you suggested.
That said, you did write this:

I wouldn’t make a black and white distinction between productive private sector and unproductive public sector. It would make socialist China’s economic recovery inexplicable for instance.

I get it that the ruling party in China has the label CPC (Communist Party of China).
But the fact of the matter is that China is Communist/Socialist IN NAME ONLY.
Let’s get the take of Peter Schiff (the premier financial commentator in the world today), on whether or not China is socialist (listen to the 2 minutes from 53:20 – 55:15 in the video below):

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FACT: China is by far the most Capitalistic of the major economies. It has:

1) The lowest income and corporate tax rates among the major economies

2) The lowest regulatory impediment – especially of the sort that prevents small players from competing for market share and thus ensuring fierce competition and lower prices for consumers (in direct contrast to the western nations where regulatory hurdles protect the monopolies of the established Zio oligarchs).

3) The lowest percentage of GDP wasted on Big Government – and thus has far fewer parasitic and unproductive government workers that need to be supported by the private sector.

4) A far lower percentage of GDP wasted on sinister three letter agencies (as in the case of the U.S) that squander precious resources on spying on its citizenry, not to mention no wastage of resources on foreign military misadventures/foreign military bases/ biolabs scattered around the globe etc.

Simply put, China minds its own business (in accordance with the Libertarian philosophy).

Admittedly China is more authoritarian on the domestic front than one would like, and it still squanders countless billions on SOE’s (State Owned Enterprises) which are a carry over from the disastrous Socialist era.
Said SOE’s are haemorrhaging red ink and preventing China from having an even better growth rate.

The good news is that the hierarchy of the leadership have recognised that the SOE’s (as advocate by the Socialist hardliners of yesteryear in the party) are a drag on the economy, and are amalgamating/closing down various operations to that end, to achieve improved efficiencies.

Soon enough all the remnants of the Socialist past/Mao era will be in the dustbin of history and thereafter China will be firing on all cylinders.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I am glad to hear many libertarians are wise to those issues and what you say about the FED sounds right to me.

The Australia case you mention isn’t a counterexample to my point, because it’s not a case of nurturing DOMESTIC industry. These were foreign companies operating on Australian soil, and it sounds like they took advantage; not surprising at all for foreign owned companies. The approach of the Chinese is better, who tried to attract foreign companies too but with an eye to transferring know-how and technology so as to ultimately develop domestic counterparts.

I’d recommend studying the case of Japan and Korea and how their economic miracles were achieved, and so soon after devastating wars. It didn’t happen due to the governments of those countries stepping back from economic life; quite the contrary, it was due to very deliberate and strategic efforts to nurture key industries, starting with steel. I would recommend excellent Richard Werner’s documentary Princes of the Yen for some insights into this.

NO – a strong government is never the answer.

Because a strong government, by definition, FUNNELS MORE OF SOCIETY’S RESOURCES FROM THE PRODUCTIVE PRIVATE SECTOR TO THE UNPRODUCTIVE GOVERNMENT SECTOR and thus squanders wealth.

By strong government I mainly mean government that does not need to go cap in hand to billionaires and corporations to stay in power. This is the primary source of their corruptibility in mass democracy. I wouldn’t make a black and white distinction between productive private sector and unproductive public sector. It would make socialist China’s economic recovery inexplicable for instance. A more nuanced approach is needed here I feel.

Knowing this, and knowing that at ALL levels of government, there will be individuals that are susceptible to bribes and corruption, THE ONLY SOLUTION is to limit the FUNDING and restrict the POWERS of government at all levels.

My worry about this is based on the principle that ‘a power vacuum will always be filled.’ As government power diminishes that space will be taken by others. These could be corporations, warlords, oligarchs, a foreign power, local mobsters, bandits or whoever, but probably not very nice people. In fairness, I don’t think anyone has a solution to this. The risk of tyranny can never be eliminated. It’s like a bubble under the carpet that as soon as you squash appears somewhere else.

Decentralization is desirable in many respects, but there is a mechanism that I believe NECESSARILY leads to centralization, and that is war or the threat of war. I think that a weakness of libertarian thinking is that they tend to idealize, and imagine their libertarian society existing in a world full of only other libertarian ‘societies’. But the real world is a world of states, some very large and powerful, and possibly aggressive. If a true libertarian society emerged in the world as it is, would it be able to survive and defend itself? In history, the main driver of centralization was war and the need to maintain a standing army. War, unfortunately, drives historical and social development, inexorably in a certain direction it seems, towards centralization of authority. You might call it a ‘necessary evil.’

A certain very deplorable person once said that a communist society can only survive in a world that’s entirely communist, hence the need to spread their revolution everywhere. I wonder whether a libertarian society also only survive in a libertarian world?

Farrakhan, you can claim whatever pleases you, but the FACT remains that Libertarianism is NOT BEING PRACTISED IN THE U.S today – hence the reason for the nation’s decline into a socialist shit-hole.

If Libertarianism is a Jew ideology as you claim, how do you reconcile the fact that Dr Ron Paul was CHEATED out of the 2012 GOP nomination in the primaries to take on Obama in the federal election ?
Yes, Ron Paul was cheated by the small hats that control the RNC.

Everything you say runs counter to the FACTS ON THE GROUND which demonstrate that Libertarianism is the mortal enemy of ZOG.

Those that criticise Libertarianism focus on the likes of Jews like Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard (who were righteous Jews incidentally, and in clear opposition to ZOG), and their role in the advancement of the Libertarian movement in the 20th century.
But these same people conveniently forget the overwhelming number of non-Jews that came before and since, who played outsized roles in its foundation.
Ron Paul Libertarianism is inextricably linked to the Austrian School of Economics.

Even though it was not called Libertarianism at the time and the term ‘Austrian School of Economics’ had not been invented, the forerunners of Libertarianism and individuals that would be called Libertarians today are the likes of:
Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith (author of the Wealth of Nations), David Ricardo, Frederic Bastiat, Carl Menger (the actual Founder of the Austrian School of Economics) and later in the 20th century we have Nobel Laureate Freidrich Hayek.
And then we have the modern day individuals* that did call themselves Libertarians, like Lew Rockwell, Tom Woods and Hans-Hermann Hoppe – to say nothing of the great Harry Browne and Ron Paul himself.
(*Let’s not forget the two most outstanding individuals in the U.S Congress of the last decade – none other than the Libertarians Senator Rand Paul and Congressman Thomas Massie).

And what do all of these individuals above have in common ?

Yes, they are NOT JEWS.

So quit with your misdirection in trying to taint Libertarianism with malevolent Jewry.

Farrakhan, you are too economically illiterate to understand that the sort of politics you align yourself with (I’m guessing you’re a socialist or some type of Big Government Statist), is a byproduct and creation of malevolent Jewry.
You’re just a useful idiot being used by them and thus unknowingly assisting them in their plan to impoverish the goyim.

As you quoted, I wrote this:

Here E. Michael Jones in his latest

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beginning at 33:53 says libertarianism “allows (((the oligarchs))) free reign”. Countless times EMJ has described libertarianism as a Jew ideology which means it’s not good, and obviously it’s not good.

You responded thusly, your first sentence implicitly misrepresenting my second sentence:

I listened to that section of the audio you specified and EMJ does NOT say Libertariianism is a Jew ideology.
As for EMJ saying that Libertariiansim allows the oligarchs free reign, HOW can he say that ?

Here

https://www.unz.com/ejones/pornography-and-political-control-the-hexenhammer-debate/

is one of the many times EMJ has accurately described libertarianism as a Jew ideology:

Like the vulture capitalism which is its main source of funding, Libertarianism is a Jewish ideology confected by people like Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, and Murray Rothbard, who was also a member of the Cato Institute, to defend oligarchic interests. A good case in point is Alan Dershowitz, who used the free speech ploy to defend Deep Throat in 1972, when Jews had not yet completed their take-over of American culture, but then abandoned it and promoted hate speech legislation after that take-over was complete. In a breathtaking expression of Jewish hypocrisy, the same Dershowitz who defended pornography as free speech in 1972 stood next to Donald Trump in December 2019 when he signed an executive order using Title VI to ban criticism of Israel and “anti-Semitism” on college campuses.

I urge you and all the readers in this thread to spend 5 mins watching Tucker Carlson and RFK Jr in this interview below:

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Some highlights from the interview:

Around the 0:40 mark: RFK Jr speaks of the ‘Corrupt Merger of State and Corporate Power which has turned the country into a corporate kleptocracy and a system of SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH’.

1:55 – ‘We’re bailing out the bankers, we’re paying for a war [the Ukraine proxy war] we can’t afford … and we’re doing it by printing money’.

Those things that RFK Jr speaks of which are occurring in the U.S are NOT Capitalism.
There are NO bail outs for anyone in capitalism – you reap the consequences of your own reckless financial chicanery (I’m talking to you Goldman Sachs and those other miscreants that deserved to go bust in the 2008 GFC).

There is no reckless money printing under Capitalism – since in the latter, a Sound Money monetary system (Gold Standard) is in place.

This 5 min video is a must watch. We should all take heed of what RFK Jr has to say.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. You’re certainly one of the more sensible individuals here and there is much merit to the points you’re raised.
Firstly, let me address a few of the things you’ve said.

Is there something about libertarianism that makes most of your kind blind to the JQ?

How can you say that, in light of the fact that there is NO INDIVIDUAL ON PLANET EARTH that has done more to raise public awareness of the malfeasance of the Zio owned Federal Reserve than the Libertarian Dr Ron Paul ?

Absent Dr Ron Paul THERE IS NO ‘END THE FED’ MOVEMENT.

Sure, Ron Paul doesn’t come out publicly and say it’s the MALEVOLENT ZIO OWNED Federal Reserve, in the same way he doesn’t say that 9/11 and JFK’s demise was orchestrated by ZOG.

But then again, nor does RFK Jr, or Tucker Carlson or Glenn Greenwald etc.
Because if they ever did, they’d all be dead meat.
Of course Ron Paul KNOWS who’s behind all of these things. As for the Fed, Ron Paul knows that he doesn’t have to mention that the Fed is owned by a cartel of Talmudic miscreants.

ALL THAT RON PAUL NEEDED TO DO WAS HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT THE FED WAS THE REASON BEHIND ALL THE MISERY, knowing all the while that WE, the citizenry, would do our due diligence and discover who really owned it.

Let’s face it, the Fed is the ENDLESS RIVER OF RICHES. Ownership of the Fed enables ZOG to finance all of its egregious criminality and BUY OFF politicians/academia/the western health bureaucracies/ownership of the western MSM etc.

Meanwhile, I know a hell of a lot of Libertarians and they’re wise to:

1) The Covid Psyop
2) The Ukraine proxy war
3) The Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax
4) The Holohoax
5) The fact that there have been NO MANNED MOON MISSIONS.
No country on the planet in 2023 possesses the technological wherewithal to perform such a mission (let alone being able to do so in 1969 with the far cruder technology then in existence).

How many of your enlightened friends are wise to even three out of five of the above frauds, let alone all of them ?
I’m guessing that you’re rubbing shoulders with ‘pretend’ Libertarians, and not the genuine article.

You also write:

Libertarians like to blame big government, but what about the big corporations (who were still pretty big before the legislation was enacted). Do they get any of the blame?

Monopoly is where the money is. Libertarians, and consumers, might like competition but BUSINESSMEN HATE IT and will do whatever they can to eliminate it.

I will respond to that by way of an analogy used by Peter Schiff – former 2008 Ron Presidential campaign economic adviser and the premier financial commentator on the planet today.

Let’s assume there’s a party of teenagers and I, an irresponsible adult, decide to pour some hard liquor into the punch bowl.
Yes, the teens would end up drunk and end up causing mischief.
But should we blame the teens ? (After all, teens will be teens).
Or should I be blamed for getting them liquored up ?

Of course I am to blame.

Similarly, the world has always had unscrupulous and greedy businessmen. While they may have gotten up to some mischief here and there in the past, it pales into comparison with what is occurring in the present era.
WHY IS THAT ?

Was this generation of businessmen born an order or two of magnitude more evil/greedy/conscience-free than in the past ?

NO, it wasn’t. What ENABLES them to do what they do is the ABSENCE of a Sound Money monetary system.
No more than a small fraction of the present excesses could possibly have occurred under a Gold Standard.
Only a Fiat Monetary system could have conjured up so much money, manipulated interest rates SO LOW for so long, so as to allow for the present level of excesses, speculative borrowing on unproductive boondoggles etc, that squander real wealth.

You go on to say:

I am skeptical that the answer is by having small government, because small government sounds like it’s going to be WEAK government. What we need is, not so much big, but STRONG government.

NO – a strong government is never the answer.

Because a strong government, by definition, FUNNELS MORE OF SOCIETY’S RESOURCES FROM THE PRODUCTIVE PRIVATE SECTOR TO THE UNPRODUCTIVE GOVERNMENT SECTOR and thus squanders wealth.

Yes, if we’re lucky, we may get a benevolent ruler … for a while. We may even get back to back tenures of benevolent dictators, like a V.V. Putin or a Xi Jinping.
But sooner or later we’ll get someone that ZOG has manoeuvred into position.

Simply put, there will ALWAYS be a subset of society, some sociopaths or psychopaths, that seek high office and will do whatever it takes to get there.
ZOG seeks out these sorts of individuals, the Lindsey Grahams, the Joe Bidens, the John McCains of this world, and will nurture them and manoeuvre them into high office.

Knowing this, and knowing that at ALL levels of government, there will be individuals that are susceptible to bribes and corruption, THE ONLY SOLUTION is to limit the FUNDING and restrict the POWERS of government at all levels.

I’ts also important that we DECENTRALISE power as much as possible.
In other words, to the extent government exists, we the people must have ready access to our local representative and when they don’t do as our local community instruct (eg: they vote in favour of more billions to support Ukraine in this proxy war when the local community is clearly against it), we arrange an immediate meeting at our local Town Hall and we VOTE OUT said individual and appoint someone else in their place.
ie: NO Need to wait for the next cycle of Congressional elections. Instead we have swift justice.

The concept of minimal government and decentralisation is best encapsulated by this pearl of wisdom from the sage Bill Bonner:

Democracy works tolerably well, but only in small settings. In a New England town, for example… or in a club…all the participants know more or less the same set of facts…and all have equal power. People can be persuaded by the most forceful and most eloquent members of the group, but decisions rarely fall too far from the tree of practical alternatives available.

Not only do all the participants share the same information…they also share the same culture and language…and the same codes and rules. More importantly, they also know they have to bear the costs of whatever mischief their decisions cause. In small groups, as in families, mistakes are exposed and punished…so, people tend to make fewer of them.

But in large settings…the feedback loops get tangled or cut. People are busy with their own lives…and way too far from the ‘facts’ to have useful opinions. They can’t be expected to master epidemiology one day and the history of the steppes the next. Should the Donetsk People’s Republic be free from Ukraine? How would they know?

As for his elected ‘representatives’…they are quickly captured by pressure groups…political donors…think tanks…and the Deep State.

In practice, the government ‘of the people, by the people, and for the people’ is none of those things.
It is a government of the elite, run by insiders, for the benefit of chisellers and busybodies.

SUMMARY: [Some] Businessmen [in every era] have always been greedy, unscrupulous, unprincipled, just like there is a subset of nurses, preschool teachers, and bus drivers that are conscience free, greedy and unprincipled.
It is the system that enables said businessmen to achieve said monopolies.

In unfettered Free Market Capitalism, there is no legislation enacted to protect established players, no maze of regulatory B.S that disproportionately makes it impossible for new entrants to compete and gain market share.

Yes, from time to time, a great entrepreneur will arrive on the scene, that will revolutionise his market segment and bring great riches unto himself – but simultaneously bring even greater prosperity to his society. Someone like a Henry Ford.

But eventually someone else will come along and build a better mousetrap. New entrants that are hungrier and leaner, more innovative and willing to accept a slimmer profit margin, said individuals will DISPLACE the oligarchs of old, and a new cycle will begin.

The ONLY REASON that the old money dynastic families (like the Rothschilds for example). have managed to maintain their obscene family fortunes, and indeed greatly expand them, IS BECAUSE THEY WERE ENABLED BY GOVERNMENT.

Absent government largesse and favouritism, said fortunes would DISSIPATE over the generations, as the descendants of those that built the family fortune are RARELY AS ASTUTE A BUSINESSMAN as the founding patriarch.

Lastly, you wrote this:

There is only one sure way for a country to go from being poor to being rich, which has been done successfully time and time again (e.g. by the ‘Asian Tigers’ in 20th century), and it is this:

Strategically protect your budding industries from foreign competition and nurture them with loans and other help UNTIL THEY ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO COMPETE ON GLOBAL MARKETS and THEN opt for a free trade.

That is NOT true.

I’m Australian and I can say that from an ACTUAL REAL WORLD experience that my country went through.

Australia had no Automobile Manufacturing industry of its own.
Then, after WWII, our socialist Labour Government decided that we needed to build cars in Australia.
So General Motors established a manufacturing plant to build an Australian designed vehicle in our country.
Ford and Chrysler did likewise in the years that followed. By the early 70’s, British Leyland, Toyota and Datsun had done likewise.
Australians bought these cars in droves. NOT because they were cutting edge quality vehicles (they weren’t), or because they were cheap in absolute terms, but because they were cheap in RELATIVE TERMS (compared to fully imported vehicles).
That’s because the imports had TRIPLE DIGIT import tariffs/duties levied against them.

In other words, the ONLY WAY our government could make the local industry viable, was to tax the hell out of the foreign competition.

All the while our wise overlords in government were saying:

‘Just a a few more years of this taxing the foreign competition. Once the local industry is established, we’ll progressively reduce taxes and they’ll be able to stand up on their own two feet’.

Well this went on for decades and finally the government decided to reduce the import tariffs and duties in the late 80’s and stretching into the 1990’s – never fully eliminating it, but reduced it a hell of a lot.
And soon enough the likes of Chrysler Australia went bust.
Thereafter, as the fully imported (and better quality) vehicles gained market share, the like of GM and Ford would whine how it’s becoming unprofitable to stay in Australia.
They threatened the government by saying:

‘Give us billions in taxpayer subsidies OR we’ll uproot our operation and leave the country – leaving tens of thousands unemployed’.

Every so often the government would throw billions their way and… these auto manufacturers F*CKED OFF ANYWAY.

All we had to show for it was DECADES OF OVERPAYING FOR AUTOMOBILES and thus having our disposable incomes and lifestyles diminished all those years – just so we could subsidise a LOSER OF AN INDUSTRY.

Bottom Line: You’ve cherry-picked some industries that were government supported and they went on to be able to stand on their own two feet and become successful.
For every such industry that goes on to succeed from such subsidies, there are many government subsidised industries that never establish a foothold.
The money thrown at them in the previous years was effectively flushed down a rat hole.

Simply put, GOVERNMENT SHOULD NEVER BE ENTRUSTED TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS (as in what industry to subsidise), SINCE THEY ALMOST ALWAYS PICK LOSERS, and therefore end up squandering taxpayers money.

Case in Point: Western nations have been subsidising Green Energy and Renewables for decades, saying all the while:
‘Yes, the cost per kWh for energy obtained from the bird chopping wind turbines and solar panels will soon be cheaper than that derived from coal fired power plants and fossil fuel alternatives, as new technology is discovered’.

REALITY: There is NO CHANCE that energy from renewables and Green sources have a hope in hell of being cost competitive with fossil fuels for the remainder of this century – and likely well beyond that.

As I’d mentioned in earlier comments, Ayn Rand, by her OWN admission, was not a Libertarian.

Yes she made that comment as she didn’t like the term. It doesn’t change the fact that the libertarian party has fully adopted her belief system as seen at lp.org/platform. They support open borders, legal heroin, full auto machine guns for Black felons and an end to the FDA. All positions promoted by Ayn Rand. That platform is ratified annually by thousands of members. The founder of the party (David Nolan) cited Ayn Rand as a central influence.

Dr Ron Paul is the embodiment of modern Libertarianism. Why don’t you try and find fault with him ?

He supported open borders before switching to the GOP which I view as a massive fault. He still supports legalizing heroin even though that has been a disaster in liberal cities. Yes I find it a fault to look at junkies keeling over in the streets and believe that providing them with easier access to drugs is the solution. I was in one of these cities when someone OD’d and the liberals were literally stepping around him. I don’t support legalizing destructive drugs and some Russian wench who admired a serial killer has not changed my mind. Nor has a libertarian who switched to the GOP for career reasons.

So J & J, settle down, get in line for that 10th Covid vaxx booster that Zio owned Big Pharma are offering, and savour the moment – as those clots work their way through your system before you die from an Intracranial aneurysm.

The libertarians support allowing drug companies to create all the recreational drugs they want and sell them in vending machines. Would that improve America?

Simple question: Should the FDA test beef for E.Coli? Or should we have a completely trust based system?

As I’d mentioned in earlier comments, Ayn Rand, by her OWN admission, was not a Libertarian.

Dr Ron Paul is the embodiment of modern Libertarianism. Why don’t you try and find fault with him ?
Hmmm … just as I thought. You can’t.

So J & J, settle down, get in line for that 10th Covid vaxx booster that Zio owned Big Pharma are offering, and savour the moment – as those clots work their way through your system before you die from an Intracranial aneurysm.

The fact of the matter is that ‘Aspartame’ and other toxic carcinogenic additives are in Diet Coke and other soft drinks because Government was BOUGHT OFF by the corrupt oligarchs and allowed to use this in their product.

Aspartame is in soft drinks because even Europeans have been unable to prove it is toxic. What is the libertarian solution to removing unwanted food additives? Libertarians believe in a completely buyer-beware market. A company could use arsenic under Libertarian ideals. If it kills your wife then you know to not buy that product. Do you support such a system?

Because you are one dumb f*ck that needs a government official to micromanage your life and tell you what to do, and when to do it.

I support basic government regulation of what goes in our food. That’s a normal position. Libertarians aren’t even able to get 1% of the presidential vote.

Let’s look at this recent case of E.coli in beef that was caught by the FDA:
https://patch.com/connecticut/across-ct/beef-recalled-connecticut-due-e-coli-what-we-know

How would this be caught if the FDA didn’t exist?

Of course I don’t expect an honest answer from you since libertarianism requires intellectual dishonesty. You’ll probably go on another emotional rant that avoids the question and then in another thread endorse Vladmir Putin who is supports Stalinist levels of state control.

Libertarians are the best endorsement of why this ideology is poorly designed. Just get them talking and they will go on emotional rants about how the government can’t protect you from E.coli even when it clearly does. It doesn’t make any sense but I guess everyone needs a belief system. Too bad so many White men signed up for this idiotic ideology where you are supposed to shrug at eating beef with E.coli. Even stranger is that White men still sign up for the open borders and E.coli cult when we know that Rand was wrong about race and also contradicted all of her beliefs in regard to Israel:

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Ms. individualist and anti-collectivist referring to Palestinians as savages. Gosh Rand I thought you said that such thinking is the worst form of collectivism. Did you forget that Palestinians are all valuable individuals and potential capitalists that can only bring economic value to Israel? Did you forget your own beliefs? In fact according to Rand’s books they should let in millions of Muslims. The real Rand seemed to disagree. Huh.

Oh and if that isn’t band enough we also know that Rand admired a child killer
https://www.learnreligions.com/ayn-rand-sociopath-who-admired-serial-killer-3975225:

Now go eat your E.Coli burger and bow to the spirit of that bitter bitch.

Here come the libertarians to tell us how corporations are actually our best friends.
Just ignore all the cases where corporations were caught putting public health at risk for the sake of profits.

I am definitely not saying that. We should all be sceptical of any product or service offered to us until such time as we’ve done the due diligence and satisfied ourselves (through word of mouth, through consumer reports and personal experience) that we can trust their products and services to deliver.
That said, there are those businesses, often small (and medium size) family businesses that we’ve come to know over many years (and more than a few large corporate entities – like the vast bulk of the Japanese auto manufacturers), that deliver a QUALITY product year after year, that we’ve been accustomed to trust.
That’s because they DO THE RIGHT THING year after year. They provide value of money.

Speaking of a ‘corporation caught risking public health of the sake of profits’, there is no more egregious example of this than Big Pharma.
Yes UR readers, the same Big Pharma that John’s Johnson defends at every opportunity. The same J & J that has been Covid vaxxed and has recently taken his 9th booster.

The Covid vaxx has killed and injured countless millions in the U.S alone, yet this toxic brew is still on the market.
HOW CAN THIS BE ?

This can ONLY occur in an authoritarian system where GOVERNMENT IS IN BED WITH THE ZOG OLIGARCHS that own Big Pharma.

Fools like John’s Johnson think, that because governments impose regulations that ‘ensure’ food safety/cleanliness/hygiene etc, that’s why we can go to a restaurant knowing that we won’t be poisoned.
Absent said regulations, said restaurants would be cockroach and vermin ridden hell holes, and said food purchased from there would for certain result in food poisoning.

The fact of the matter is that ‘government entities’ may make a snap inspection of a particular restaurant once every 5 – 10 years, look around the kitchen to see if there’s evidence of vermin droppings, cockroaches or unsanitary storage of perishables etc, and issue a spot fine to generate some revenue.

THAT is the extent of it.

In between those once a decade inspections, said restaurant is allowed to do as it pleases.
It can use rotten meat in its dishes, unfresh vegetables and all manner of questionable additives and condiments.

Bit it doesn’t. Because it wants repeat patronage. If it delivers a second rate product and/or affects the health outcomes of its patrons, it soon goes out of business.

FACT: We do not need government to ‘protect’ us to ensure that the food we consume is safe.
The fact of the matter is that ‘Aspartame’ and other toxic carcinogenic additives are in Diet Coke and other soft drinks because Government was BOUGHT OFF by the corrupt oligarchs and allowed to use this in their product.

Do you really think your steak is safe to eat only because it is FDA approved ?
Are you THAT stupid ?

No doubt the major beef producers may be sourcing their cattle from areas of the country (for example the region of the toxic spill in East Palestine Ohio), and cattle may have been grazing on grasslands that were affected by the chemicals that were released.

Said beef my have toxic levels of certain heavy metals/contaminants that exceed recommended thresholds by a factor of 1000 or more. But an FDA official could be bribed to ‘look the other way’ and allow a shipment of beef that would otherwise be rejected.

At the end of the day, unthinking automatons like you J & J, do whatever the ‘wise overlords’ in gubmint say.
If they say you should inject experimental mRNA gene therapies into your eyeballs, you’ll do it unthinkingly.
If they say, like your small hat ilk Madeleine Albright, that the ‘death of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it’, then so be it, it was worth it as far you’re concerned.

Because you are one dumb f*ck that needs a government official to micromanage your life and tell you what to do, and when to do it.

John’s Johnson writes:

I reached a similar conclusion [to MoFo-Bill].

That sentence above speaks volumes.

John’s Johnson is a KNOWN disinfo peddler on behalf of Zio owned Big Pharma and the Zio neocons that orchestrated the Ukraine proxy war.
And, needless to say, he’s in lockstep with MoFo-Bill on the issue of Libertarianism (because Libertarianism is the greatest threat to the Zio domination of the western financial system).

Bird’s of a feather do indeed stick together. J & J and MoFo-Bill are joined at the hip on this issue, as indeed they would be elsewhere (seeing as they have the same Talmudic benefactors).

Well UR readers, now all of you know what I have known from the very beginning.
And that is that both John’s Johnson and MoFo-Bill are here to advocate for the JEWISH AGENDA.
That is their sole reason for their trolling the commentariat here in UR.

beginning at 33:53 says libertarianism “allows (((the oligarchs))) free reign”. Countless times EMJ has described libertarianism as a Jew ideology

I listened to that section of the audio you specified and EMJ does NOT say Libertariianism is a Jew ideology.
As for EMJ saying that Libertariiansim allows the oligarchs free reign, HOW can he say that ?

OK, let’s start with something we can all agree on.
We both agree that the present system stinks to high hell.
We both agree that the Zio oligarchs are raping and pillaging us at this very moment, making outsized profits while the rest of us are impoverished.

Well then, what system are we living under ? Because it surely is NOT Libertarianism.

There has been precious little Libertarianism in operation for the LAST HUNDRED YEARS.

Libertarianism is all about:

1) Limited taxation (esp. income and corporate taxes)

2) By definition, limited taxes means LIMITED GOVERNMENT (since there will be no money to fund these millions of parasitic government workers and the grandiose government boondoggles that make us all poorer).

3) Negligible government micromanagement of our lives and thus more personal LIBERTY.

None of the above conditions exist today – hence the reason the U.S is a thieves den of CRONY CORPORATISM.

So, as good as EMJ is on other matters, he is evidently economically illiterate and is oblivious to the fact there is NO LIBERTARIANISM of substance being practised in the U.S today.

This 38 sec clip from Ron Paul’s 2012 Presidential campaign encapsulates what Libertarianism is all about:

Video Link

We all agree that Zio controlled entities are the chief beneficiaries of the obscene largesse handed out by a bloated government.
Well then, no better place to start than to starve them of taxpayers money.

Bottom Line: ALL the other political philosophies are advocating for more of the same. ie: MORE government funding, MORE regulatory asphyxiation that hurt the small players who are challenging the monopolies of the Zio oligarchs and continuation of the Zio owned Federal Reserve.

ONLY Libertarianism seeks to END the gravy train for the Jewish oligarchs.

The conclusion is simple. If you’re against Libertarianism the you are FOR the Jewish oligarchy and its continued exploitation of the citizenry.

, you are wise to the JQ, but this is unusual among libertarians. Can you explain why that is? Is there something about libertarianism that makes most of your kind blind to the JQ?

You say many correct things, but there is also much to disagree with, or rather, you present an incomplete picture. You say,

They came into existence because THEY WERE ENABLED BY BIG GOVERNMENT.
Big Government enacted legislation that protected their monopolies, enacted a a complex regulatory framework that prevented the smaller competitors and new entrants from grabbing market share.

Ron Paul and the Libertarians have always advocated for a SMALL GOVERNMENT with limited funding, well defined and extremely limited powers.

Yes, but it takes two to tango. Libertarians like to blame big government, but what about the big corporations (who were still pretty big before the legislation was enacted). Do they get any of the blame? As a commenter above said, all capitalists want to be monopolists. I recommend to you Peter Thiel’s lecture, where he says competition is for losers. Monopoly is where the money is. Libertarians, and consumers, might like competition but BUSINESSMEN HATE IT and will do whatever they can to eliminate it.

These banks and corporations were enabled by big government because they were successful at corrupting that government. This is what businessmen eternally try to do, corrupt and bribe the authorities to win favors. How can we prevent that from happening?

I am skeptical that the answer is by having small government, because small government sounds like it’s going to be WEAK government. What we need is, not so much big, but STRONG government. Look around the world today. Which governments seem to be most successful at resisting corporate corruption and influence. The CPC is one obvious example, which put Jack Ma in his place recently and took other actions against corporate power in China. Xi is supreme in that country and there are no oligarchs or kingmakers pulling his strings. Putin faced down the ((oligarchs)). These are all strong leaders. Only strength can pull this off. The only thing that can beat power is greater power. The only thing that can stop a force is a greater force.

So what is the relationship between big and small and strong and weak? Can small government be strong? Or must it inevitably be weak, and hence easily corrupted?

Because the U.S of the later 18th century and the entirety of the 19th century was as close as any country in recorded history had ever been to a Libertarian utopia (limited government, very low taxes – in fact no income and corporate taxes), THAT is why America became so great.

This may be a true description of the internal situation in the US at that time, but you are neglecting to mention policy as regards the external trade situation. In that regard, 19th century USA and Britain were highly protectionist and mercantilist (what I would call economic nationalism), and that is also a major part of the reason why it became so wealthy. The international trade situation was at that time not remotely like what libertarians recommend.

There is only one sure way for a country to go from being poor to being rich, which has been done successfully time and time again (e.g. by the ‘Asian Tigers’ in 20th century), and it is this: Strategically protect your budding industries from foreign competition and nurture them with loans and other help UNTIL THEY ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO COMPETE ON GLOBAL MARKETS and THEN opt for a free trade.

Money, the currency, must be under the complete control of the sovereign operating in the best interests of the citizenry.

This is probably why Mefobills says “money is law”.

Gold can not be controlled by the sovereign because vast unknow quantities of it are possessed by the hostile international Jew and hidden in his secure storehouses all over the world which he uses in his satanically diabolical usury as “predator(s) upon humanity” as St. Paul wrote at 1 Thess 2:15.

Divine Jesus came down here to protect humanity from satanically predatory Jew usury (Luke 4:16-30 as illuminated at https://michael-hudson.com/2018/08/and-forgive-them-their-debts/ ).

Here E. Michael Jones in his latest

Video Link

beginning at 33:53 says libertarianism “allows (((the oligarchs))) free reign”. Countless times EMJ has described libertarianism as a Jew ideology which means it’s not good, and obviously it’s not good.

The Achilles’ heel of libertarian economics, especially the “self-regulating market?”

“I never met a capitalist who didn’t want to be a monopolist.”

Is anyone so stupid as to believe this ? Well, apparently there are some that think like that.

The fact is, it is in the interests of businesses to LOOK AFTER THEIR CUSTOMERS and those that provide bad products or services quickly lose out patronage.

Here come the libertarians to tell us how corporations are actually our best friends. Just ignore all the cases where corporations were caught putting public health at risk for the sake of profits. Auto companies once opposed mandatory seatbelts even though they knew that they saved lives. According to libertarians we should have let them create cars without seatbelts to save a few bucks.

Those that offer quality products and have an exemplary record for reliability (eg: Toyota Motor Corporation, some Swiss wristwatch manufacturers etc), will get repeat customers.

So if food corporation ABC kills a bunch of people by using unregulated chemicals then that is a lesson for others to avoid them? Does libertarianism work well if you are dead?

Why not just regulate the chemicals that go into our food? You really think it is a better idea to put 100% trust in multi-national corporations and just hope for the best?

ONLY under the CRONY CORPORATISM that exists in the U.S today, could Big Pharma arrange a sweetheart deal whereby legislation is passed that indemnifies Big Pharma against any injury/death it causes, as victims are unable to sue those that are responsible for the depopulation agenda.

Within libertarian theory they are allowed to create all the vaccines they want and with zero regulation. They could in fact funnel high-risk products into subcompanies that pass back the profits while absorbing any litigation. So you end up suing a shell company that is worth nothing.

Multi-national corps already play these shell games with overseas profits by taking advantage of the natural gray area that is the global market. Libertarians tell us that even less regulation at a national level is the solution to amoral corporate greed. Right.

In FREE MARKET CAPITALISM no Big Pharma entity would risk marketing a toxic product because if they killed or injured anyone, they would be sued into bankruptcy

So you would be relying on a government provided court system to regulate what is obviously a morally flawed private market.

Might want to re-think that argument.

Libertarianism isn’t even that sophisticated,(say as compared to neo liberal economics) yet it appeals to certain types of rugged individualists via dialectics and simple sloganeering. At its most base level, it has its heroes (Ron Paul!) and LoL adherents have religious fervor. It is a cult, part of a dialectic, and designed to ensnare.

I reached a similar conclusion.

It’s very cult like and provides simplistic answers to White men that understandably oppose the left. But that opposition doesn’t justify signing up for a cult where a bitter wench encourages you to adopt destructive drugs, unregulated corporate products, degenerate media and open borders. Abortion is also high on the values list for libertarians. Don’t forget to abort your children for this “free market” utopia. Discussing race is of course banned cause Rand said that’s all bad collectivism, mmm k?

It claims to be based on reason and yet its adherents go on emotional tirades when asked about the economic utility of open borders or legalizing fentanyl. If you value “objectivity” then why can’t libertarians discuss these issues without getting defensive? The simple question of what happens if you import too many Muslims or Socialist voting third worlders also drives them nuts. What is to stop a bunch of Somalis from voting in Socialists that offer them your shit? It’s a very simple question and they fall back on promoting libertarian values when they haven’t been able to do that with native Whites.

Rand is also a mediocre writer and I’m amazed that the cult actually recommends her books. Atlas Shrugged feels like a rough draft written by someone high on meth. Read the dialog on page 22:
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.458873/page/n21/mode/2up

It’s atrocious. Very similar to a certain cult where a mediocre writer originally tried to get famous through pulp sci-fi.

You seem to be “Libertarian” ….. Please correct me, if I am wrong.

Just as there is no unified philosophy within the Republican party (witness the likes of the despicable Senator Lindsey Graham Vs the outstanding Sen. Rand Paul and Congressman Thomas Massie – the last two being the absolute best politicians in the whole U.S Congress, and needless to say, both Libertarians), so too is there no unified set of beliefs in the Libertarian party.

Decades ago the Libertarian party was a model example of what a political party should be under the magnificent Harry Browne, and then it was hijacked and infiltrated for a number of years and its purity was contaminated.

Today, the ‘Ron Paul Wing’ of the party is in the ascendancy and the party is on the right track.
I am a Ron Paul Libertarian and an anarcho-capitalist.

You go on to ask:

What I cannot understand about “libertarians” is this – why do none of them say how they would go about protecting the people from the many abuses that corporations inflict on people?

Unfortunately Brad, I suspect that what you know about Libertarianism comes courtesy of the Zio controlled MSM – and all they do is misrepresent, distort and make up bald faced lies about Libertarianism.

If you’d been listening to Ron Paul’s countless speeches or tuning in to the Ron Paul Liberty Report (You Tube channel accessible through this link:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkJ1N-7g9Q6n7KnriGit-Ig ),

you would have absorbed a MOUNTAIN of explanations as to how Libertarianism protects the average citizen from the rapacious excesses of the big Zio owned corporations.

In other words, contrary to what you’re saying, the Libertarians are CONSTANTLY SPEAKING ABOUT AND DEMONSTRATING how the Lbertarian policies would prevent the worst abuses of the corporation on the common man.

Firstly, said malevolent corporations cannot fleece you if they don’t exist in the first place.
And, if Free market Capitalism had existed had existed during the 2008 GFC, all the corrupt [majority owned] Zio corporations like Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Citigroup, AIG, Bank of America etc, WOULD ALL HAVE GONE BANKRUPT.

ALL of the corporation above exists today BECAUSE THEY WERE BAILED OUT.

Which U.S Congressman at that time, MORE THAN ALL THE OTHERS IN CONGRESS COMBINED, was shouting from the rooftops that said criminal entities SHOULD ALL BE ALLOWED TO GO BANKRUPT ?

(Do I really need to be asking that question ?).

Of course it was none other than the Libertarian Dr Ron Paul.

Ron Paul was dead set against privatising profits whilst simultaneously socialising losses.
On other words,when criminal institutions like Goldman Sachs engage in their reckless financial machinations and highly speculative trading, they can make outsized profits in the good times – which they keep.

But, when things go pear shaped, they expect taxpayers to bail them out.

THIS IS NOT CAPITALISM.

In capitalism you reap what you sow. If you engage in reckless practices, then your deserve to go bankrupt.

Now, let this be clear. BOTH Dubya Bush and Obama bailed out these malevolent corporations.
And that should come as no surprise. After all, the GOP and the Dems are two factions of the SAME PARTY in the One Party Tyranny that rules in the U.S.

Both of the major parties are accountable to the SAME Talmudic master. ie: the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel (aka ZOG), that owns the U.S Federal Reserve and controls the entirety of the western financial system.

The solution to big corporations running roughshod over the common man is simple.
We have to ask ourselves: HOW DID THESE MEGA CORPORATIONS COME INTO BEING ?

And the answer is exceedingly simple.

They came into existence because THEY WERE ENABLED BY BIG GOVERNMENT.
Big Government enacted legislation that protected their monopolies, enacted a a complex regulatory framework that prevented the smaller competitors and new entrants from grabbing market share.

Ron Paul and the Libertarians have always advocated for a SMALL GOVERNMENT with limited funding, well defined and extremely limited powers. (ie: Just like the Founding Fathers had advocated for and for that reason America went from a rural backwater to the most prosperous nation on the planet.

Got that Brad ?

Because the U.S of the later 18th century and the entirety of the 19th century was as close as any country in recorded history had ever been to a Libertarian utopia (limited government, very low taxes – in fact no income and corporate taxes), THAT is why America became so great.

Because the U.S turned its back on Libertarian principles, that’s why it is a socialist shit-hole today.

Big Government comes about, by definition, because of the vast sums of money it STEALS from the private sector.
Absent said countless trillions, the USG would not have to been able to fund:

1) The Vietnam War
2) The radical expansion of Big Government under LBJ (that has continued to the present day) and expansion of the welfare state
3) The proliferation of three letter agencies and the increased power and resources of those that already existed, that spy on its citizenry and micromanage their lives
4) The Space and Apollo programmes, which only managed to send men into low Earth orbit.

Yes, you read right. There has NEVER BEEN A MANNED MOON MISSION.
The U.S (or any other country) does not have the technological wherewithal to do a manned moon mission in 2023, let alone in 1969 when the technology was a quantum leap more primitive.

And the ability to be able to squander countless trillions on government boondoggles like the F35 lemon, the Green energy programmes (the wind turbines chop up countless millions of birds each year and the solar panels and other ‘renewables’ create electricity at a FAR HIGHER COST per kWh than do the far more efficient and low cost coal fired power plants), is mostly of enabled by the ZOG owned Federal Reserve.

Some will counter by saying: The Federal Reserve is not part of government. It is, after all, a cartel of private bankers.
And that is true.

But WHY is the Federal Reserve (and thus the creation of the U.S money supply as well as monetary policy), in the hands of of a private cartel to begin with ?

ANSWER: Because GOVERNMENT handed over the control of the money printing to said private cartel.

The U.S government SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAD THE POWER to relinquish control of the money creation to a third entity in the first place.

The creation of the nation’s money should have been enshrined in irrevocable law to ALWAYS remain under the control of the Treasury, and thus the citizenry of the nation.

Simply put, it was a FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT that saw to it that this private cartel of Talmudic misfits got to own the Federal Reserve.
It should be confiscated from the depraved Zionists forthwith – and no compensation offered.

Bottom Line: Free Market Capitalism is all the protection that consumers need to prevent them from being ripped off by the big corporations.

Some socialists and Big Government Statists believe that, absent the government to protect us from the ‘greedy businessman’, to regulate the quality of and efficacy of the products and services we consume, that left to an unregulated market, we’d all be lying in a ditch on the side of the road with our arms blown off, because our ‘unregulated’ computer monitors or wide screen TV’s exploded and blew our arms off.

Is anyone so stupid as to believe this ? Well, apparently there are some that think like that.

The fact is, it is in the interests of businesses to LOOK AFTER THEIR CUSTOMERS and those that provide bad products or services quickly lose out patronage.
Those that offer quality products and have an exemplary record for reliability (eg: Toyota Motor Corporation, some Swiss wristwatch manufacturers etc), will get repeat customers.
Those that offer dangerous products are quickly exposed int the market place and embarrassed by Consumer Reports, word of mouth, the plethora of social media venues were said products are discussed and analysed.

THINK ABOUT IT BRAD.

How the eff, could a toxic and experimental mRNA gene therapy have been administered to so many people in the U.S and killed/injured countless hundreds of thousands ??

THIS COULD ONLY HAPPEN UNDER AN ALL POWERFUL GOVERNMENT AUTHORITARIAN SYSTEM, whereby government coerced people with mandates to take the clot shots or lose their jobs, to take the clot shots or be refused plane travel, or entry to certain retail establishments etc.

In FREE MARKET CAPITALISM no Big Pharma entity would risk marketing a toxic product because if they killed or injured anyone, they would be sued into bankruptcy.

ONLY under the CRONY CORPORATISM that exists in the U.S today, could Big Pharma arrange a sweetheart deal whereby legislation is passed that indemnifies Big Pharma against any injury/death it causes, as victims are unable to sue those that are responsible for the depopulation agenda.

T-V,

You seem to be of the “Libertarian” persuasion. Please correct me, if I am wrong.

Because NO political party speaks for ME – not the “Democrats,” not the “Republicans” and not the “Greens” – I joined the John Birch Society, because they seem closest to my views on political & economic matters. I also spend time on the Future of Freedom’s web site.

What I cannot understand about “libertarians” is this – why do none of them say how they would go about protecting the people from the many abuses that corporations inflict on people? Do they think that the individual states are going to pass laws protecting people from corporations?

I consider myself to be a capitalist, one who looks to the federal government for reasonable and realistic regulations – not the myriad of regulations that we now have, which are a big joke.

Thank you for any comments!

MoFo-Bill writes:

I’ve tried the Gold = Fiat argument before, but it falls down before their god.

The first gold coin, as soon as it got the kings stamp, meaning embossed with the Kings mark, it became fiat. As long as any unit is good for taxes, and is within the legal system of the country, it is money.

MoFo peddled the same nonsense before in other UR threads. and after I smacked him down each time and showed the falsity of his remark, he laid low for a while.
But he just can’t resist bringing up his discredited dogma once more.
MoFo keeps bring up some technical definition of ‘Fiat Money’ used in centuries past but it is NOT what is used in present day vernacular by the bulk of financial commentators.

In the past, ‘Fiat Money’ was defined as ‘money by decree’ (ie: decree of the King or the ruling elite of said society).
Today ‘Fiat’ means money BACKED BY NOTHING.
Up until August 1971, when Nixon ended the post Bretton Woods ‘bastardised’ Gold Standard, you could exchange USD $35 for one oz of gold.
If you French francs for example, you could exchange your francs for USD at the then existing exchange rate, and thereafter exchange those USD for gold.
In that way, no matter what currency you possessed (provided it was a hard currency that was readily accepted in international trade – eg: GBP, JPY, AUD, German D.M etc), you possessed a defacto currency BACKED BY GOLD.

In the case of the USD today, it is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States.
Well I have no faith in the U.S. As for its credit, if it were a Fortune 500 company and its books were audited according to GAAP standards, it would have been declared INSOLVENT long ago.

Fiat Money today, as understood by the bulk of the citizenry, is money created OUT OF THIN AIR by the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel. That is why MoFo-Bill is so enamoured with it.
That which is good for the Jews is good for the MoFo – seeing as the former are his benefactors, so he keeps propagating the Talmudic narrative.

The important thing about Gold and its applicability in successful societies for over 500 years is that when the King or ruling elite decreed that Gold and Silver shall be money and thus legal tender, they were merely formally acknowledging what had been the unofficial law of the land for centuries before.
In other words, THE PEOPLE OF VARIOUS CIVILISATIONS from disparate corners of the planet, had INDEPENDENTLY already decided for themselves that Gold and Silver (and copper for smaller denominations), would be acceptable as money.

Picture this, if some foolish king in the past decreed that paper should be money, the people of that kingdom who had been utilising gold and silver for monetary transactions for millennia, would just pay him no heed.
And if said King insisted to use his army to forcefully maintain this paper standard monetary system, said King may soon have been overthrown and suffered the fate of France’s Louis XVI.

Similarly today, ANYONE WITH A BRAIN knows that the Fiat Monetary System will soon fail catastrophically.
To that end, the wise Chinese and Russian governments are accumulating vast stockpiles of Gold in preparation for the demise of the USD in particular, and other fiat currencies (although the latter may survive somewhat longer – especially if they sign on to China’s Belt and Road Initiative and are their currencies are thus backed indirectly by Chinese gold stockpiles).

But not MoFo-Bill. he wants no part of a Sound Money system. He and his Trotskyist mentor Michael Hudson are going down with the ship.
They’ll defend the monetary system of the Zionist Usurers to their last breath – such is their commitment to Zionist control of the western financial system and Big Government Statism.

MoFo-Bill writes:

The former so called Gold Standard prior to 1912 was actually Lincoln’s Treasury System.
I mentioned this already to you but you cannot learn.

Like many of your remarks, they’re immediately dumped into landfill – because they’re STUPID, sourced from discredited Keynesians/Trotskyists/Big Government Statists that have never been correct in their whole lives.
(As if ‘Lincoln’ could dictate a treasury system to the whole world, in light of the fact that U.S GDP/U.S share of world trade at the time of the War of Northern Aggression was a small fraction of that of Britain and western Europe).

For the entirety of the 19th century on the classical Gold Standard, Great Britain’s GDP ALONE exceeded that of the U.S (indeed it exceeded it by a large margin for most of that period).
As a block, the western European powers on the continent had an aggregate GDP that was greater still than Britain’s – and that’s not even factoring in the colossal wealth of Czarist Russia at that time.

These entities in Europe presided over whether or not a Gold Standard would apply to the world.
Sure, due to budgetary constraints in funding his tyrannical war on the South, Lincoln would suspend the gold standard temporarily in the U.S during that conflict and issue Greenbacks as a substitute.
In other words, Lincoln’e dictates were ISOLATED to the U.S only – the rest of the world paid no heed to what Lincoln did or didn’t do.
The rest of the world did not give a rat’s arse what the U.S did domestically, and instead continued on the tried and tested Classical Gold Standard.
And, not long after the War Between The States was over, the U.S was back on the gold standard as before, because the U.S was a FOLLOWER, not a leader, in respect of said world monetary practices at that time.

As for the rest of your explanation, it’s nothing but lame obfuscation.

You just can’t bring yourself to admit that I’m right, can you ?
ie: that the Zio cabal has the capacity to enrich itself FAR MORE on a fiat system, whereby it can conjure countless scores of trillions with a computer key stroke, than it can on a Gold Standard – because it CANNOT CONJURE GOLD FROM THIN AIR as it does with its digitally conjured fiat.

Is that true or not MoFo ?

It is not even a close call. The Zionist Usurers can (and indeed have, over recent decades), enriched themselves by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more than they could have ever done under a Gold Standard.

Lolbertarian miscreants come in two types. The low IQ dupes, and high IQ Jews intent on working for their class and race interest.

I’ll leave the reader to go back and scan the comments and determine what type the TRUTH VIGILANTE! is.

Lolbertarianism appeals to a certain type of white person. The rugged individualist who only wants to be left alone! If we had gold, then by golly our shiny god could save the day. OH, and there are certain heroes in our pantheon of gods, like Ron Paul, that we should fellate on a regular basis.

What is left out of Lolbertarian dogma is Sovereign Money, that is legal money. I’ve tried the Gold = Fiat argument before, but it falls down before their god.

The first gold coin, as soon as it got the kings stamp, meaning embossed with the Kings mark, it became fiat. As long as any unit is good for taxes, and is within the legal system of the country, it is money.

Lols cannot stand that they are not rugged lone individualists, that they are part of society. And any notion that there is not god in gold drives them nuts. This idea that they are responsible for their neighbor and for future generations goes against some sort of sociopathy they have at their core.

Simple dialectics capture simple minds. MY TEAM – YOUR TEAM. Meanwhile there is no third option. Democrat vs Republican, there is no continuum of interests. The founding fathers were very much against this sort of thing, they did not want party systems.

If you are not on the LoL team, then you are an enemy. The LoL’s have been taken out of the game, the glasses have been perched on their noses.

All money is legal fiat. There are rules governing its behavior. Gold can be made to work, but it is difficult as it wants to be melted down and spirited out of the country. It is “international” money, good for the Jew – and he says so in the protocols. Gold is also depression, it wants to be consecrated to the vaults.

The Greatest depression, the dark ages were because all of the gold became consecrated to the vaults and all of the land polarized into Latifundia, that is – big landed estates. This was debt polarization.

LoL doctrine does not include Debt Analysis. Why golly, if only we had gold – we could pay our debts. It is honest money! Never mind the historical examples, lets ignore those.

Jesus whipped the money changers for taking Usury. They were swapping gold coins for silver temple coins, with at least a 3:1 takings. Usury is NOT excessive interest as the LOL’s make pretend.

Usury is a power relation. It is the taking of life energy because you can, and you can because you have worked out some sort of gain taking sordid scheme.

Usury and sordid gain taking has been perfected by the Jew, and this is why said Jews have been kicked out 108 times.

The parasite has created many doctrines to then cover their crimes. The doctrines are ALL DIALECTICS. They are designed to snare the simple minded and take them out of the game.

For example in neo-liberal/neo-conservative economics they start out by telling lies, such as money is a neutral veil. Or they don’t teach economic history, but instead focus on mathematics. And the math itself will lie, and leave out time, etc. They are liars and have sophisticated constructs.

Libertarianism isn’t even that sophisticated,(say as compared to neo liberal economics) yet it appeals to certain types of rugged individualists via dialectics and simple sloganeering. At its most base level, it has its heroes (Ron Paul!) and LoL adherents have religious fervor. It is a cult, part of a dialectic, and designed to ensnare.

Lols are unwitting dupes and have become sayanim.

Whytie writes:

Great article, came to the same conclusions. Libertarianism is a jewish scam.

Oh no, not another economically ignorant moron like MoFo-Bill.

First of all, the author of the article comes to NO such conclusion. As always, the Central Planners and proponents of Big Government Statism misread the data and come to their foolish conclusions, that are divorced from reality and that align with their Zio influenced authoritarian agenda.

One thing the author of the article got wrong was to assign Ayn Rand’s face to the topic of Libertarianism since, by her own admission, Rand WAS NOT a libertarian.
It would have been far more appropriate to place Dr Ron Paul’s face on the article since he is the EMBODIMENT OF THE MODERN LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENT (or perhaps even Murray Rothbard).

You go on to write:

A collective of people is always stronger than an individual and is in position to subdue the individual into compliance by force.

Contrary to the misrepresentation of Libertarianiam by the Zio miscreants, through Zionist control of the western MSM, social media, academia, the indoctrination of school children through the public education system, Libertarianism is NOT ABOUT ADVOCATING FOR INDIVIDUALISM IN A DOG EAT DOG WORLD WHERE EVERYONE IS ONLY OUT FOR THEMSELVES AND DOESN’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY.

This is the propaganda that’s been spread by Big Government Statists and Zio mischief makers like MoFo-Bill, and the gullible have lapped it up without critical analysis.

LIBERTARIANISM IS ALL ABOUT PROTECTING THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENRY AND PROTECTING THEIR FREEDOMS AGAINST GOVERNMENT IMPOSED TYRANNY.

Let’s face it, whether it be on the issue of the Covid vaccine mandates, compulsory face mask wearing, the 9/11 False Flag, the Anthropogenic Global warming hoax or whatever, there should NEVER BE A SITUATION WHERE THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY IS ALLOWED TO OVERRIDE THE CHOICE OF INDIVIDUALS.

The fact is, ALL OF US will find that we’re in the minority on some issue at some point in our lives.
Some people have defined democracy to mean:
‘Two wolves and a sheep getting together to vote on what they’re going to eat for dinner’.

Simply put, if you’re in the minority, you’re going to be eaten up and spat out.

Just because most Americans believe the official USG narrative on 9/11 that 19 Muslims hijacked four aircraft and crashed them into the WTC, Pentagon etc, and precipitated a freefall collapse of three buildings in NYC (despite the official USG narrative for the collapse contravening Newtonian physics), does not make it true.

Just because you believe it’s wise to inject a toxic and experimental mRNA gene therapy into your veins to combat a mild ‘flu-by-another-name’, it does not make it right that you should impose your will on others by making them take it also.

Just because you’re a virtue signalling clown that drives a [prone-to-combust-and-kill-you-and-your-family] Electric Vehicle (E.V), because you think you’re being environmentally responsible (when in fact an E.V is demonstrably LESS responsible than an internal combustion engine car), you have no right to elect a government that mandates that all cars be E.V’s in the near future.

You like E.V’s ? Well good for you. Evidently you have more dollars that sense/(cents).
Go ahead, knock yourself out and buy a fleet of them. Because I will NEVER buy one.

At the end of the day, the majority tends to be wrong on MOST ISSUES. Because the majority are mindless government dependent automatons that (like MoFo-Bill), who believe even bigger government can legislate and regulate our way to prosperity.

People like MoFo-Bill and his guru Michael Hudson think, if some government plan or combination of plans doesn’t work, then all we need is yet another one or two Stalinist-like 5 year plans in place and that will deliver prosperity, cure male pattern baldness and erectile dysfunction.

This is how STUPID Trotskysists like Michael Hudson and his groupies (MoFo-Bill being a standout) really are, to actually believe this nonsense, when history is littered with examples of Central Planning being an unmitigated disaster.

Bottom Line: We are all agreed that the western world (and the U.S in particular), is a fucked up place and getting worse by the day.

Well, guess what ? That western world you live in is the furthest thing from a Libertarian utopia.
What is happening in the U.S today is the collectivist JEWISH INSPIRED practice of Big Government, Statism, authoritarian micromanagement of our daily lives that is the ANTITHESIS of Libertarianism.

In the 19th century in the U.S (and in Canada, Australia – where I’m from), we had small governments, low to non existent income and corporate taxes, negligible government regulation and meddling in our lives.
These societies were the closest we’ve ever had in history to the Libertarian ideal and, needless to say, they reaped the harvest of those wise doctrines as laid out by the U.S Founding Fathers – delivering untold prosperity and lifting the bulk of the population into the middle and upper classes.
ie: delivering equitable outcomes for the broad mass of the population.

Today the U.S practices those philosophies that people like you Whytie, and that fool MoFo-Bill advocate for – hence the reason the U.S has become a socialist shit-hole.

A return to the Libertarian ideal would see a dramatic reversal in the fortunes of the common man – and lead to the demise of ZOG (since Libertarianism more than any other philosophy has waged a multi-decade campaign to END THE FED):

Why the Fed?

It created a money trust with networked double entry ledgers under private banking control. The network spanned the free dumb world

Oh wait! Aren’t Lobertarians for privateering?

The former so called Gold Standard prior to 1912 was actually Lincoln’s Treasury System. I mentioned this already to you but you cannot learn. Two digits of IQ is a handicap.

The Treasury was exercising control over the private banks and said banks didn’t like it. Also they wanted WW1 and Fed was a good vehicle for funding the war.

The US has been repeatedly financially attacked starting from its birth. These attacks always had privateering control in mind whether it was gold or not. Objective was to take usury.

An example, in 1890 or so Germany demonitized silver. This left the holders of gold in a wealth position as their gold holdings increased in value many times. This was usury, a word and concept normed out of Lolbertarian doctrine, on purpose, to then create dupes. It’s easy to rob dupes.

Great article, came to the same conclusions. Libertarianism is a jewish scam.

A collective of people is always stronger than an individual and is in position to subdue the individual into compliance by force. It’s not a question of if they’ll do it. They will do it.

People will group up based on how closely they are aligned with each other. Each others ideological preferences play a role here, yes. But secondary to ethnic preferences, check the M. Cabanac experiments on how much time people are willing spend in an uncomfortable position (e.g. subject themselves to sufferance) depending on the amount of benefit their relatives receive from it and depending on how far genetically these relatives are from them.

If an existing group could disseminate propaganda on another group that would weaken that group’s cohesion, it’s a win. In this case, as the author rightfully notes, it needs to be ensured that such propaganda affects own group minimally, while affects the opposed group maximally. That’s where ARI fails the test, but RPI/Mises/Rockwell don’t, but only when assessing them through their direct actions or confessions. The fact that Libertarians operate in the US, where 1) the Europeans are much more numerous and thus are more susceptible to the propaganda just by the numbers 2) have on average lower ethnocentrism as compared to the Jews, and thus, effective propaganda on them can decrease their ethnocentrism beyond the critical point, but for Jews will not due to their ethnocentrism being higher and thus more resilient, so they are less likely to get high on their own supply.

It just works. Reject Libertarianism and mock every libertarian ruthlessly, spit in their faces, they are all either scammers or patsies.

Thanks for your work.

I like E. Michael Jones, and what I know about Henry Ford has impressed me.
Two good guys for sure.

But everyone makes mistakes sometimes. And they were both dead wrong about gold.
And the reason I know this, is simple:

IT DOESN’T TAKE A RHODES SCHOLAR TO WORK OUT THAT THE ZIONIST USURY BANKING CARTEL CAN ENRICH THEMSELVES FAR MORE WITH A FIAT MONETARY SYSTEM WHERE THEY CONTROL THE PRINTING PRESSES, THAN THEY WOULD ON A GOLD STANDARD – by orders of magnitude.

Farrakhan, if you can’t grasp this OBVIOUS TRUTH, then I can’t help you.

Just think about it for one second. Prior to the creation of the Zio owned Federal Reserve, the U.S was on the Classical Gold Standard.
If the gold standard was enriching them so much, WHY THE NEED FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE ?

Do I really need to ask that question ? Even Blind Freddie can see why.

In a market economy, the exchange value of a currency depends of supply AND demand.
If you think that there is a direct link between the CPI and the monetary base, you are missing half of the equation.

E. Michael Jones said it all with his book title Barren Metal (https://www.fidelitypress.org/).

EMJ properly postulates that all wealth arises from God’s Creation (the Earth with its life forms) and human labor.

Henry Ford preceded EMJ in recognizing gold as unnecessary for economic prosperity, and actually the focus on gold being the result of treacherous Jew deception.

There is a super-capitalism that is supported wholly by the fiction that gold is wealth.

The Jew in Character and Business, 22 May 1920, Dearborn Independent

http://www.holywar.org/txt/Ford/01.html

To be perfectly honest, I think that Scott was told by someone that if he didn’t ditch Phil, he would never be invited on TV shows, as he has begun to be. They have a black list and Phil is on it.

Not being a member of the tribe, Phil can simply be erased from all media and the tribe must cut their associations with him to avoid the same fate.

Scott sold Phil out in order to get media access.

Farrakhan/D.Duke, it’s a shame you’ve besmirched the reputation of those good people in your pseudonym by posting the economically illiterate nonsense from MoFo-Bill.

Are you not aware that MoFo-Bill has not been right on anything substantive ?
He’s a Big Government Authoritarian Statist like his guru Michael Hudson, the discredited voodoo economist.
You wrote:

In the case of Libertarian Jews, they want gold to be the international money.

There are subset of Jews that are RIGHTEOUS, and Libertarian Jews certainly fit the bill.
They seek a Sound Money monetary system that rewards the productive entities within society (irrespective of what tribe they’re from), and punish the usurers and exploiters.

That said, the MALEVOLENT Jews (like MoFo-Bill and Hudson), are fanatically in favour of a Fiat Monetary system, whereby endless quantities of USD can be conjured out of thin air and doled out amongst themselves.

Farrakhan, what is it that you cannot grasp about the following SIMPLE statement?:

Under a Gold/Silver bimetallic Standard, workers are remunerated in these precious metals.
Said precious metals CANNOT be conjured into existence. The rate of increase of the world’s gold and silver stocks is something of the order of 1.5% per year through mining output, hence only an incremental increase that is in line, more or less, with world growth rates.

Because the Zionist Usury Bankers cannot conjure said precious metals, they CANNOT debase* the purchasing power of the gold/silver that the common man holds.
(*In the case of USD, every new USD printed/digitally concocted reduces the purchasing power of those USD already in existence).

Take a look at the following graph of the U.S M1 Money Stock:

As you can see, the M1 Money Stock increased by a factor GREATER THAN FOUR (4) in just a few months during 2020 under Trump, as the orange man sought to dole out favours to his Zio backers.

Farrakhan, did you get any more than a pittance of the M1 money that was created in 2020 ?
No, I didn’t think so.

But minions of ZOG like MoFo-Bill and Michael Hudson no doubt did – as payment for services rendered in their tireless crusade of advocacy for the Fiat Monetary system.

THIS COULD NEVER HAPPEN UNDER A GOLD STANDARD.

For UR readers not familiar with what the graph implies, the M1 Money Stock, at any point in time on the graph, represents the CUMULATIVE amount of USD printed/digitally conjured into existence up until that date.

In other words, at the beginning of 2020 (just before the Covid Psyop hoax was perpetrated on humanity), M1 was around $4 trillion.

ie: $4 trillion was the CUMULATIVE amount of USD (notes and coins in circulation/demand and savings deposits – as these things represent the bulk of the M1 money stock), that was created over the last 240 years or so since the beginning of the republic.

Yet, under Trump, there was a FOUR FOLD INCREASE in just a few months of 2020.

Needless to say, under Biden this M1 money stock has continued its exponential increase and the situation is even more dire for those holding USD denominated assets.

The following remarks encapsulate all that you need to know about the Gold Standard and REVEAL that it is the Fiat Monetary system that Malevolent International Jewry favour:

Because Gold is honest money, it is disliked by dishonest men.

…. Ron Paul

A gold standard is the ideal monetary system for those who create wealth through ingenuity, entrepreneurship and hard work.
Gold standards are disfavoured by those who do not create wealth, but instead seek to extract wealth from others through inflation, inside information and market manipulation.

…. Jim Rickards : ‘The Death of Money’.

Well Farrakhan, MoFo-Bill dislikes honest money (gold) – hence the reason it is obvious to all that he’s a dishonest snake.

MoFo-Bill and his (((ilk))) do not create wealth – they extract it through inflation and market manipulation.

This comment is a precious article by itself.

The best way to think about it, is whether or not the Jewish creditor class is gaslighting you. They work for their class and racial interests. Their work is non trivial, they will kill you or burn the world in nuclear fire if that is what it takes to maintain their supremacy and gain takings.

To advocate in this way objectivists and Jews have to lie about the nature of reality. Money, in their world view, is to be international and fungible. Fungible means that it has legs and can go anywhere. In terms of neo-liberal economics, yet another economic type championed by Jews, the debt instruments are allowed to be fungible to fly anywhere in the world, anywhere so profit can be made. The profits then drain back to the money centers of Wall Street, London, Paris and Amsterdam, or where the debt instrument is held.

In the case of Libertarian Jews, they want gold to be the international money. This worked great for the Hi-Bi-Ru (Aiparu/Hebrew) donkey caravanners for thousands of years, as they arbitraged and took usury on bi–metal system across the east/west trade routes, which they controlled. Gold for fractional bank reserves is also international, usually with a gold trading center, like London.

Communism required more lies about the nature of reality, where the only enemies were class.

Nationalism is actually organic and natural. Bolshevism was funded by creditor Jews in the international money centers, especially Jacob Schiff at Kuhn and Loeb. The first thing the international did, was install a wall street bank to then extract from the prostrate Russians.

So, Jewish lies are manifold, but all of them create a reality distortion field.

The international creditor is to be cut out of profit on international trade. As an aside, this is why Germany was attacked, their industrial capitalist and autarkical economy cut-out the international Jew, and said Jews were outraged. The outraged Jews declared war on Germany in 1933.

Fascism and National Socialism were organic movements to rebalance their civilizations, which were being debt polarized into oligarchy and corporate control. Who owned the corporations? The U.S. and the West are now being debt polarized, and we cannot talk about the Jew or the successful Fascist and National Socialists. Don’t be an anti-semite Goy, close your mind. Take your medicine, and be a good slave.

In many cases, the bear raiding finance attacks on Germany in the interwar years, were led by finance Jews. Today, that is how George Soros makes his nut, he shorts currencies in bear raiding attacks. These attacks caused the Weimar hyperinflation, and it is accurate to say that Jews were the dominant party in the destruction of Germany in this way. Then internal to Germany, German Jews were buying up everything not nailed down. They did this by borrowing international credit from the money centers, i.e. from their cousins. Up to 1/3 of German became owned and held into foreign hands.

Germany was transferring ownership from Germans to the international creditor, and yes – Jews. In communism, the same thing was happening, with international Jews operating the pyramid system, and making pretend that there are no classes. The argument about normalizing to no-classes is so the Jews can walk around unfettered, to become invisible. And if you notice, you are an anti-Semite.

Any Jewish ideology always guilts the outgroup. White people are especially prone to being guilted.

If you notice that the Jewish creditor class is polarizing the economy toward themselves and Jewish oligarchy, you are guilted as an anti-Semite. If you notice the Jewish Oligarchy has with it, a Jewish Kritarchy (Jewish Judges), then you are an anti-Semite.

Is this a reference to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as William J. Cameron emphasized in Henry Ford’s The International Jew?

If you are a libertarian you cannot recognize these actions as your eyes have been blinded with new spectacles the Jews perched on your nose.

NECESSARY POINT for EMPHASIS:

In biological terms, the parasite has many poisons in his arsenal to confuse the minds of simple goys.

At its very root, is lies about nature, and the most necessary conditionality: To take usury on the host civilization. Extracting usury i.e. sordid gain taking, or polarizing with debt, or funding movements for war – all of these actions are profitable. It is a self licking ice cream cone. Profit by tearing down, and inserting yourself as an owner parasite is very Jewish.

Any proper country, such as a Kingdom, Fascism, National Socialism, or National Communism – which nationalizes the money and economy for its people and for general welfare (not Jews), will soon find itself in the cross hairs. It is to be attacked and dismembered. If the host nation protects itself by ejecting the parasite, that is if it wants to be healthy, it is attacked and dismembered.

Thus the Jewkraine war on Russia for reversing the theft engineered by Jew Harvard Prof. Jeffrey David Sachs:

Russia had the temerity to kick out is Jewish Oligarchs after the rape in the 90’s. Russia wanted to be healthy. China had the temerity to keep its State Banks and sovereignty after Tiananmen Square. Any country not on-board with top creditor Jewish agenda, to submit to various Jewish usury systems, are to be attacked and dismembered.

Matthew Ehret, who is not an anti-semite exposes some of the funny business behind the Lincoln Assassinations.

He ascribes things to “London” and if he goes any deeper it is some sort of Venetian Conspiracy. There is never any mention of Jewish involvement.

If somebody like me comes along as says the East-West mechanism was the main spring of history, I get the blank stares. The caravan routes of arbitraging gold/silver was the mainspring and this is left out of almost all historical accounts. So Ehret has to fill in the blanks with Venetian conspiracies and other nonsense. You take the good with the bad.

My libertarian friends don’t account for it, and since gold is magick to them, then the fact that the Aiparu (Hi-Bi-Ru in Egyption means minor trader) took usury on it is an impossibility.

So, you have to read between the lines with Ehret, but in general he is pretty accurate.

https://risingtidefoundation.net/2023/03/20/the-hidden-story-behind-lincolns-assassination/

London WAS trying to peel away the south. Jews were involved in Lincoln’s assassination. Hitler didn’t get the memo, you don’t touch the third rail of money creation, or they will kill you.

Oh Wait! Wasn’t this period using gold, and it was rainbows and unicorns.
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How many people have been exposed to the vast Southern Confederacy secret service operations active throughout the civil war in Montreal, Toronto and Halifax which was under the firm control of Confederate Secretary of State Judah Benjamin and his handlers in British intelligence?

How many people know that Booth spent at least 5 weeks in the fall of 1864 in Montreal associating closely with the highest echelons of British and Southern intelligence including Starnes, and confederate spy leaders Jacob Thompson and George Sanders?

Demonstrating his total ignorance of the process that controlled him, Booth wrote to a friend on October 28, 1864: “I have been in Montreal for the last 3 or 4 weeks and no one (not even myself) knew when I would return”.

China and Russia are accumulating gold as a recapitulation of the trading gold standard.

Russia was stuffing it as reserves into their central bank, and under Basel 2 rules it can support X number of Rubles (I forgot the ratio).

Of course the Western Hegemon got all pissy about this because they wanted to control Russia via exchange rates to the dollar, hence the “confiscations” and sanctions on Russia.

So, it was a twofer for Russia to mine gold and stuff, exchange rate stabilization and the ability to issue new Rubles at State level.

With regards to China, their gold is to go into a Basket. The Basket will be Gold/Yuan other national currencies. This is for exchange rate and ability to trade with other countries. China wants to be a mercantilist country and trade with the world.

China has no intention of using gold internally to their economy. There is no evidence for that anywhere – somehow it is your fever dream.

What surprises me is that Xi and Putin agreed on using the Yuan to settle trades in the new multipolar world they are creating (not gold). This means that China is sticking its neck out in a Triffins dillema, where you should never allow your national money to be used by others.

Gold doesn’t actually export, only signage is moved around. Germany is still trying to take possession from the NY FED reserve.

But then, all of this stuff is over your head. You believe that you are a TRUTH VIGILANTE!

To the rescue, TRUTH VIGILANTE, to spread low IQ libertarian platitudes to masses.

The Jewish creation of Libertarian dogma is a win for the tribe!

In response to my incontestable truth that the Chinese and Russian central banks are accumulating gold like a man possessed, you write:

This is how you do the half truths.

Chinese and Russian gold accumulation is for external trade and signaling exchange rates.

MoFo-Bill, you really have no shame, do you ? To be making such a bald faced lie is beyond the pale, even by your lowly Big Government Statist Authoritarian standards.

China is the world’s largest gold producer. By LAW, not one gram of its mine production is allowed to be exported. (I believe that restriction has been in force for the last 20 years, give or take).
It HOARDS every ounce of its gold in anticipation of the coming financial apocalypse.
In addition to its own production, it’s mopping up whatever it can find on the world markets (as is Russia, Turkey and many other countries). The Chinese government urges its own citizens to accumulate gold as well.

NOT ONE GRAM OF CHINESE CENTRAL BANK GOLD HOLDINGS IS USED FOR EXTERNAL/INTERNAL, or any other form of trade.

WHY would they ?

The Chinese run a huge trade surplus with the U.S and many other countries. To the extent that they run a trade deficit with a few other nations (Australia consistently runs a trade surplus with China), the Chinese can settle those imbalances with their enormous stash of greenbacks.

WHY would the Chinese part with their precious gold to settle any external trade transaction when they have plentiful [soon-to-be-worthless] USD that they could use instead ?
Answer: They most assuredly would not.

SUMMARY: Only a moron would claim that China uses gold for external trade. Either that, or a devotee of that voodoo economist Michael Hudson.

You MoFo-Bill, satisfy both criteria.

For Scott Horton to be blackballing Phil Giraldi, that’s definitely a red flag.
Putting loyalty to his tribe ahead of seeking the truth is not the sign of an honest broker.

I never did like Scott Horton. I recall how, on the issue of 9/11, he’d always over zealously repeat the official USG narrative that 19 Muslims hijacked those four aircraft.

Invaluable piece of history:

Oh Wait! Lincoln was assasinated because he issued debt free Greenbacks, and brought the private “gold” banking system under treasury control. It was called the national currency act of 1863.

What the Ayn Rand Institute is to Rand, the Mises Institute, established by Rothbard’s colleague and friend Lew Rockwell, is to Mises and Rothbard. But one does not find the selective application of libertarian principles there to advance Jewish interests. Israel receives no special favors at the Mises Institute,[30]
See Halbrook, S. P. 1981. The alienation of a homeland: How Palestine became Israel. The Journal of Libertarian Studies, vol. 5, pp. 357-374. Rothbard, M. N. 2016[1978]. ‘Little’ Israel. https://mises.org/library/never-dull-moment/html/c/467.
nor at Rockwell’s website LewRockwell.com or at the ideologically similar Ron Paul Institute. Anti-war and anti-interventionist positions prevail at these forums, in contrast with the ARI.

Ok, to add my own 2 cents to the conversation: first of all, I definitely agree that the Ron Paul, Mises.org, LewRockwell.com and Rothbardians are the very best and only good libertarians. In one of the many lectures and discussions I’ve listened to on the Mises website I’ve learned an incredible amount of interesting and important things. One tid-bit was that one of the reasons Rothbard eventually broke with Rand was that her and her entourage criticized Rothbard for being married to a Catholic. This is completely consistent with Hugh‘s article.

The Mises.org side of the libertarian movement is definitely excellent. However, take Antiwar.com which was started primarily by the excellent and now departed Justin Raimondo. It is currently run by Scott Horton who is a little simplistic but generally very good on anti-war stuff. And even though Scott is philosophically close to the Mises Institute, and I had always taken him at his word that he was first and foremost a Libertarian and that his Jewish ethnicity was at most secondary in his identity, how can one assess his sudden blackballing of Phil Giraldi after the article Phil had written here at Unz about “Jews“ driving the US towards war with Iran. I mean if you’re anti-war and you disagree about who’s pushing for war with Iran then just make your case against that, but if you blackball someone you‘ve interviewed many times because you disagree with them on an article they’ve written then I have to conclude that your priorities are different from what you claim that they are.

If being anti-war is very important to you then I should not expect you to throw people overboard on some debatable premise, if you do that then you are dishonest about being anti-war and maybe your ethnic priorities do trump all other ones. I don’t know, prove me wrong!

So tell me, would you expect that a fascist German state with few individual rights or a “free market” individualist state made up of Pygmies have more of an advanced economy?

I would expect the German fascist state to do better. I said race is important too. How many times do I need to repeat that? However, Germany with a free-market economy does better than Germany with a fascist economy. Right before World War II, Germany was running large budget deficits trying to pay for its expensive welfare state and high military spending. It was not sustainable in the long run. Hitler getting on the cover of Time is irrelevant. If we hadn’t intervened, it would have been the German empire instead of the Soviet empire eventually collapsing. Germany wasn’t recovering in the three years after World War II. It wasn’t until 1948 when Ludwig Erhard lifted the Nazi price controls that rapid economic growth started to take place.

Just as the Nazi welfare-warfare state wasn’t sustainable in the long run, neither is ours. It appeared to work temporarily because the large Boomer generation was in their peak earning years and paying a lot in taxes. We are now running two trillion dollar a year deficits and headed for a fiscal crisis. We will not be able to fund such an extensive welfare state in the future. We also will not have the money for a large military and will have to adopt a less interventionist foreign policy. If we persist in the overspending, we will go into a decline which will end with great suffering for average Americans in the years ahead.

Those are comparisons to Communism.

Yes, Communism was a command-and-control economy that eliminated the price signals of a free market. So, a more free market economy works better than a less free market economy.

Is this a great revelation to you? The amazing wisdom we can learn from libertarians?

Look the market predates the term “Free market”. The market simply exists naturally as it is a system of trade.

Communism is a failed system and those failures were analyzed before the libertarian belief that government regulation should be rejected or dismissed on principle. Economists already determined that Marx a crank by the 1930s. We did not need Rand to come and tell everyone that market economies are better than Communism. It’s really a big fat duh. Nor can someone conclude from that failure that all government regulation must be harmful. That’s illogical.

You seem to have trouble comprehending that the prosperity of a country may have more than one cause.

No it is libertarians that have a hard time comprehending that modern countries are more than a free market and a random assortment of individuals. This ideological belief inherits from Rand who decried the existence of race and depicts the success of a country as due to the individuals and minimally regulated market system.

Here it is from Rand:
It is not a man’s ancestors or relatives or genes or body chemistry that count in a free market, but only one human attribute: productive ability. It is by his own individual ability and ambition that capitalism judges a man and rewards him accordingly.

She is saying that your ancestors don’t matter in a free market. Your ancestors can be Pygmies or Germans. It doesn’t matter and the country that does best will have the strongest individual rights with minimal regulation of said individuals.

So tell me, would you expect that a fascist German state with few individual rights or a “free market” individualist state made up of Pygmies have more of an advanced economy?

Many of the countries that modern day socialists point to as socialist success stories like Sweden became wealthy under capitalism and then moved to socialism. Germany became wealthy after Ludwig Erhard, the German economic minister, lifted all the Nazi price controls in 1948. The German economy boomed after that. It then expanded its welfare state later on.

Before Hitler went on the war path he was praised worldwide by economists for fixing the German economy. He ignored “free market” evangelists of the time and invested in public works projects and jobs for the long term unemployed. That is how he made the cover of Time Magazine in 1938.

For the record I don’t support German fascism but it makes a mockery of Rand’s belief that the state must have individual rights and minimal public investment for economic growth. But the real mockery are minimal government states like Haiti and Liberia that still haven’t reached GDR (yes Communist German) living standards of the 19080s.

WHAT A SHAME THAT SO MANY BANTU COUNTRIES LACK THE INDVIDUAL RIGHTS REQUIRED TO DEVELOP ADVANCED INDUSTRIES LIKE THE GDR ONCE HAD

RANDICUS 4:13 TELLS US THAT RACE DOESNT EXIST SO LETS HOPE THEY SOMEDAY AQUIRE THOSE RIGHTS

Those are comparisons to Communism.

Yes, Communism was a command-and-control economy that eliminated the price signals of a free market. So, a more free market economy works better than a less free market economy.

You seem to have trouble comprehending that the prosperity of a country may have more than one cause. It may require a combination of factors. If race was the sole determinant of prosperity, then there would have been no differences between East and West Germany, North and South Korea, and Hong Kong versus mainland China. This is not just Communism. Why was white Europe poor in the medieval era but became wealthy later on? It was because of the move to a free-market economy that freed up people to work hard and then keep the fruits of their labor.

Many of the countries that modern day socialists point to as socialist success stories like Sweden became wealthy under capitalism and then moved to socialism. Germany became wealthy after Ludwig Erhard, the German economic minister, lifted all the Nazi price controls in 1948. The German economy boomed after that. It then expanded its welfare state later on. There are no poor countries that adopted socialism and then became wealthy, only countries that adopted capitalism and then became wealthy and then turned to socialism. I’m not dismissing the importance of race. I’m just saying it is not the only factor involved in the economic success of a country.

tl;dr

Anytime you tell the nations that it is a dog eat dog world, the pack of wolves will thrive.

I don’t hate people, so I’ve never bothered with libertarianism. What a sack of hamburger meat.

If libertarian theory was correct then minimal government Haiti should tower over Japan.

Haiti isn’t libertarian. It has low taxes but that is only because most people there are very poor, and you couldn’t extract much in the way of taxes from them.

Why is it poor? Why didn’t it become America if it started out with a structure of minimal government and a constitution that asserted individual rights?

Its government spending as a percentage of GDP is among the lowest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_government_spending_as_percentage_of_GDP

What is the libertarian solution to Haiti if it already has low taxes and minimal government?

Haiti also has widespread crime due to the low IQ black population.

If you are suggesting that traits related to economic development are not spread equally across the globe then that causes huge problems for libertarian theory.

Is it possible for Haiti to have limited economic development potential due to group genetics? Is crime not related to economic development?

If Haiti’s population is inherently prone to crime then wouldn’t their importation lead to an increase in crime for the hosting country? Which would then negate Rand’s assertion that open borders are always beneficial to both sides?

If you look at the Cato list, all the countries at the top are white or Asian. It’s the combination of free market economies and high IQ levels due to genetic racial differences that puts them there.

A list that includes countries that are mixed economy. Countries like Germany and Japan are Keynesian. Germany’s government spending as a percent of the economy is 45%. That’s nearly half.

What exactly does libertarian theory teach us? Nearly half the German GDP is government spending and yet there isn’t a single Bantu “free market” country that us anywhere close in standard of living. You do see why people think this is all a bunch of bullshit? How is Germany able to maintain a 45% level of government spending while being a global economic power?

The lack of free market economies explains why North Korea is poorer than South Korea, East Germany was poorer than West Germany

Those are comparisons to Communism.

That is like saying a square wheel doesn’t work as well as a regular one.

That is not evidence that minimal government or other libertarian ideals need to be followed.

The failure of Communism is not an endorsement of libertarian theory. It’s an endorsement that Communism is fucking worthless.

Similarly, for the last two decades or so, the Chinese and Russians have been accumulating gold LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW – because they know that gold will be integral to the monetary system that will emerge from the wreckage of the Zio controlled western financial system that is soon to implode.

This is how you do the half truths. You butt snorkel Libertarian dogma. And since it is half truths and simple minded, then simple folk suck it up.

I have even pointed out to you that Hudson called the trading gold system as the “peaceful metal.”

But, since Hudson speaking the words “peaceful metal” doesn’t jive with what you think you know, you close your ear flaps – you are a dumb ideologue.

The trading gold system in no way is a classical gold system. The trading gold system only marked international flows of goods. These are goods that are outside of the nation states, usually in transit. Trading gold system was Bretton Woods up until 71.

In this case, the gold served as an accounting identity and was not money. It signaled the national money for exchange rates. But, people like you think that gold is money, when all money is fiat and law.

And, as we can see the trading gold system failed when Nixon went off of it. Hudson also explained how that happened (see his book Super Imperialism) and his analysis is correct. No libertarian could come to Hudson’s conclusions because there is something wrong with Libertarian brain function.

Eject libertarians! They are not part of the Logos. Greed and sordid gain taking is what motivates them.

Chinese and Russian gold accumulation is for external trade and signaling exchange rates. I would do it too.

Need a political identity? Hate the left but also don’t like thinking on your own? Don’t want to be a conservative like your parents?

BECOME A LIBERTARIAN TODAY!!!

How to be a libertarian:

1. Deny that market imbalances can ever exist and ascribe everything to individualism:
A White worker can’t afford health care? Well I guess the market has spoken. Society can’t possibly do anything to increase access. I guess that laborer should have made more money. It’s too bad that he didn’t make sound financial decisions and doesn’t have 200k for treatment.

2. Defend the ultra-wealthy
We can’t raise taxes on the wealthy. Job creators like Soros and Gates might get upset and work against the best interest of the country. Soros got rich through currency speculation and now funds left-wing groups. We should tax him less so he creates more jobs for us.

3. Observe the problem of drug addiction and conclude that more drugs are the solution.
We should let drug companies create new opioids that are cheaper and even more addictive. More drug addicts will help solve the problem of drug addiction. If you want less of something then try adding more.

4. Become indignant over racial violence and pretend to be a Black ally against the police even though you are a White guy in the burbs:
We libertarians take the side of the rapper Lemar “shotty4life” Jackson. You cannot prove that the sawed off shotgun was his or that he was being aggressive with the police. He is another innocent African-American that has to live in poverty caused by Big Government and their militarized police force.

If libertarian theory was correct then minimal government Haiti should tower over Japan.

Haiti isn’t libertarian. It has low taxes but that is only because most people there are very poor, and you couldn’t extract much in the way of taxes from them. Haiti has insecure property rights and, because of that, no one is willing to invest in businesses there. Libertarians are for secure property rights and against the idea of corrupt politicians being able to nationalize businesses whenever they feel like it. Haiti also has widespread crime due to the low IQ black population. Libertarians are not against having the police protect people against criminals. It’s political leftists who are for letting criminals do what they want. Haiti is a leftist country, not a libertarian one.

Let’s look at what actual libertarians think about what countries are libertarian. On the 2022 Cato Freedom Index, Japan ranks as the 16th most libertarian country in the world while Haiti is 82nd. If someone says Haiti is more libertarian, they need to explain why. No intelligent person is going to take them seriously otherwise.

If you look at the Cato list, all the countries at the top are white or Asian. It’s the combination of free market economies and high IQ levels due to genetic racial differences that puts them there. The lack of free market economies explains why North Korea is poorer than South Korea, East Germany was poorer than West Germany, and mainland China was poorer than Hong Kong or Singapore.

SUMMARY: Germany had no gold, but soon got the gold it needed to prepare for war. And, as Germany annexed Czechoslovakia and the other nations in western Europe, it confiscated their central bank gold holdings (other than for the bulk of the gold reserves of France, who managed to hide it successfully throughout the war)

It confiscated the gold, and immediately forwarded it to Switzerland. Think of it like a lever the Germans could use to influence others, especially the westerners who have some sort of Rabid affection for the shiny metal … people like you who are defectives.

Internal to the German economy they had no need for gold.

The Germans ran on the Bill System. I’ve explained it to you before, but since you are a low IQ you cannot absorb the info.

Even the name MEFOBILLs were a riff on the jewish goldmen, it was a back handed insult to them and your type:

A Mefo bill (sometimes written as MEFO bill), named after the company Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft (Metallurgical Research Corporation), was a promissory note used for a system of deferred payment to finance the Nazi German government’s programme of rearmament, devised by the German Central Bank President, Hjalmar Schacht and Reinhardt, in 1933- 34

Mefo bills followed the scheme for which the Öffa bills were the blueprint. Öffa bills were channeled at industry and the commons.

Oh wait! You cannot channel gold! It is international money. It wants to get melted down and spirited out of the country.

METAL RESEARCH HA HA.

Those Germans were pretty funny. Germany had absolutely no gold in the coffers in 1933, as it had been drained away to pay reparations.

Germany re-armed and jump started the economy using the Bill System. The Bill System and Industrial Capitalism first started in the American Colonies, especially Massachusets Bay, and was invented probably by John Winthrop.

In other words, Lolbertarians wrap themselves in the American flag, and pretend they are patriots, but they are really dupes working for London and Jewish Capital. Stupid is as stupid does – that’s you.

It was actually Hitler and the Nazis who were operating the American System of Industrial Capitalism, and had sovereign money like the Colonials. In the articles of confederation (article 9) bills of credit were enshrined as law.

You probably think that the Colonials and America was gold based? DUPE!

us and them, and you are them.

More and more reputable individuals are claiming that the Covid virus never existed.
Credit to you D.B.B for calling it out from the very beginning.

This is something else you do. If you are right on the virus, then libertarians must be right.

Dialectics are for the simple minded. It is very low IQ.

Hitler also had a dim view on vaccines, especially because the vaccine makers were owned and dominated by Jews. He knew that their desire for profit above all else made them unfit for making civilizational decisions. Jews are not part of the logos, they are the opposite. There are honorable ex-jews, who have walked away from the tribe. There are even honorable ex-libertarians, but they have to disavow all liberalism/libertarianism.

I never got vaxxed, I’m a pure blood. You think that somehow you have a lock on the truth, after all you are a TRUTH VIGILANTE!

You do not have a lock on the truth, you are more like a disinfo agent. This is why libertarians are dangerous, they are ate-up and dispense half-truths. These half-truths are dangerous because they are taken up by young people, and it makes them malfunction. Leading young people into cul-de-sacs of bad thought may destroy their entire life trajectory.

Hitler also encouraged all Germans to own at least two firearms if they could afford it. A least a pistol and a rifle. That means Hitler must have been a libertarian in your worldview, right?

You and your simple minded ilk have no answers for these sort of things.

The logos, the natural order, wants others to have freedom – but it also knows there are limits to that freedom. Lolbertarians do not know where the limits are. All branches of liberalism are defective. And even more importantly, you cannot retrain the defectives unless you use a concentration camp.

Tucker Carlson probably really believes the the Chinese are evil and that gay butt-sex is ok. If you point out that it is predominantly Jewish ideology and finance capital that offshored the jobs, he will clam up like a good-goy. If you point out that gays really do recruit young boys, and that all civilizations in history that go down that route, are at their end, he will clam up, or start making excuses about free-dumb.

There are limits to all things. One of those limits is to EJECT libertarians as if they are honorary Jews.

Dugin has come to the same conclusions in this article:

https://www.thepostil.com/liberalism-is-more-dangerous-than-ukrainian-nazism/

Ukrainian Nazism is yet another snare for dummies. Ukrainian Nazis have been funded by MI6 and handled by the CIA since WW2. London capital, or the square mile, was a project of Amsterdam’s Jews. They transplanted the finance capital system to London in what the author Ramsay called the “nameless war.” Libertarians are completely clueless about this nameless war, and actually help it along.

Here is Dugin drawing the dividing line for civilization, and Libertarians are on the wrong side. And… so are Paleoconservatives like Tucker. Tucker is completely OK with allowing invaders into the country, and he turns a blind eye to the parasites within; parasites who offshore jobs and only care about profit.

OH wait, that MEFO is a NAZI, but but he is against Ukrainian Nazis.

https://www.thepostil.com/liberalism-is-more-dangerous-than-ukrainian-nazism/

If you want to preserve sovereignty, it is clear that it is impossible under the auspices of the collective West, because liberalism in international relations cancels sovereignty and recognizes only the World Government, in other words, Western hegemony; and in the fight for a multipolar world in which sovereignty is possible, you have to fight with the West, and that is what Russia is doing now. And, it is doing that for everyone.

That’s what World War III is all about. Anyone who really cares about sovereignty will either have to side with us or willfully and forever give up and submit completely to the West—and the West is now at war with Russia and will force others to do the same.

This is what happened to Ukraine; this is what is happening to Georgia and Moldova and what is threatening Turkey and even China.

Us and them.

Jews, (and Ukrainian Nazi/Jews), Liberals, Libertarians, and even wishy/washy paleoconservatives are THEM.

Firstly, I don’t disagree with your comments on NSDAP Germany – you’re preaching to the choir.
As for this:

The hard times were under your wet dream gold system. OH WAIT! Hitler had a successful economy and no gold.

We all know why Germany had those hard times. Shackled with crippling reparations payments as a result of the treaty of Versailles, how could it have been otherwise ? (irrespective of whatever monetary system Germany had adopted).
Despite that, in the late 20’s Germany was on the way to emerging from the malaise, when malevolent International Jewry colluded once more to hobble the economy.
And needless to say, what few gold reserves Germany possessed were soon gone.

As to the ‘successful economy [of Germany] and no gold’ comment of yours, let me use the following analogy:

Today in the U.S, Federal Reserve notes are ‘money’. When the world was on a gold/silver bimetallic standard, these metals were ‘money’.
So picture this:

I’m a high school graduate and decide that tertiary education is not for me, so I decide to get a job.
I start with NOTHING (ie: not a bent nickel to my name). I have no skills.
So I start on minimum wages and build up a skill set over the following years and my remuneration increases accordingly.
Of course, if I was living around the turn of the century, the ‘money’ I’d be getting would be in the form of gold or silver – because these precious metals were money.
If I was prudent and lived below my means, over time I’d accumulate a nice little nest egg as I saved the surplus – rather than live profligately as you do MoFo (and then you whine about how you’re not as rich as your neighbour who did save his money.
You then start blaming ‘greedy capitalists’ for having exploited you, as all Marxists do, rather then accepting personal responsibility for your diminished circumstances).

SIMILARLY, Germany after WWI (and both Germany and Japan after WWII), started with NOTHING.
But what they had was a WORK ETHIC and manufacturing know how.
Soon enough both countries (in the case of the WWII example – but applicable to Germany after WWI as well), started producing manufactured goods that the world desired.

And consequently, Germany was paid in GOLD.
Hitler used said gold to purchase the raw materials (iron ore, aluminium, copper, nickel etc), that were integral to building up his war machine in preparation for the war that would be thrust his way by the depraved Talmudists.

SUMMARY: Germany had no gold, but soon got the gold it needed to prepare for war. And, as Germany annexed Czechoslovakia and the other nations in western Europe, it confiscated their central bank gold holdings (other than for the bulk of the gold reserves of France, who managed to hide it successfully throughout the war).

In other words, unlike you and the economic charlatans among the Michael Hudson groupies, HITLER KNEW THAR THE ACQUISITION OF GOLD WAS INTEGRAL to his plans.

Similarly, for the last two decades or so, the Chinese and Russians have been accumulating gold LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW – because they know that gold will be integral to the monetary system that will emerge from the wreckage of the Zio controlled western financial system that is soon to implode.

They know, but somehow you and Michael Hudson don’t.

ONCE A CLUELESS DUNCE, ALWAYS A CLUELESS DUNCE.

You go on to write”

The medical sector is NOT FULLY ELASTIC. That means that it cannot be completely privatised.

I don’t know if the medical sector will ever be 100% elastic, but an unfettered Free Market Privatisation (ie: the opposite of what now exists in the U.S), may well yield something very near to total elasticity.

You and other UR readers should take some time to listen to the following audio only podcast where Libertarian Tom Woods interviews Dr Peter McCullough:

https://tomwoods.com/ep-2234-dr-peter-mcculloughs-dissident-health-company/

Basically, McCullough and like minded colleagues have set up:

The Wellness Company, for which Dr. McCullough serves as chief scientific officer, which offers people health services and consultations with doctors whose brains aren’t held captive by the medical/pharmaceutical establishment.

Meanwhile, I recall listening to a podcast of Tom Woods many moons ago where he interviews a private health care provider (in either Oklahoma or Florida, as I recall), that was outside of the existing system of the corrupt health insurers and government provided health services.

Simply put, you paid a small premium per month (FAR less then you would with the private health insurance behemoths), and you got MUCH CHEAPER treatments for all manner of ailments when you needed it.
I’d have to go through more than 2000 episodes of his show to locate that podcast but, if you’re interested, I’ll send it your way if I manage to locate it.

Importantly, this is not the only such private medical clinic in the U.S that is out of the system.
There are MANY of them, and they reinforce what all objective observers with some degree of economic literacy will tell you. And that is:

If you get Government OUT OF THE WAY, if you remove all restrictions on providing services, all mandates, all monopolies etc, and ALLOW UNFETTERED FREE MARKET CAPITALISM TO FUNCTION, you will get a better product or service at much, MUCH lower cost.

That is always and everywhere the case.