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New project proposal - WikiYouth: Building Open Data Together[edit]
Hi, everyone!
I am one of the organizers of the IGF Youth Summit, a Day 0 project of the IGF 2021. As a member of the board of the Youth SIG from the Internet Society, we are trying to engage young people that are part of the internet governance ecosystem in Wikimedia projects. We delivered our first project a few months ago, but now we are trying to do something more focused and easier to learn, while trying to get more fruitful results to the Wiki community.
That is why we are proposing a Rapid Grant Contest centered in Wikidata called WikiYouth: Building Open Data Together, aiming to add relevant data to Internet Governance and youth pages. I would really appreciate it if you guys could review it and give us a few tips on how to improve the idea, and if anyone wants to help in this project, we would love an extra hand or two!
Discussion on renaming the Māori Wikipedia[edit]
An editor has suggested we rename Māori Wikipedia to Wikipītia because there is no letter 'd' in the Māori language. Feedback is welcome. See mi:Wikipedia:Kōrero#Vote: Rename Māori Wikipedia to Wikipītia.-gadfium 17:48, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
The volunteer call for Wikimania 2022[edit]
| „Event“: | The volunteer call for Wikimania 2022 |
|---|---|
| When: | Until 2022-01-08 09:59:59 UTC guaranteed. |
| Call positions: | Core organizing team • Program committee • Other roles |
| Links: | More about this call • Wikimania 2022 |
✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 18:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Wikihavior[edit]
Can you give me interest for it? Faster than Thunder (talk) 01:58, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- NO, please do not campaign. Announce it, do the proper work on presenting it and nurture the discussion. Do not campagin, it needs to stand on its merits. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Upcoming Call for Feedback about the Board of Trustees elections[edit]
- You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.
The Board of Trustees is preparing a call for feedback about the upcoming Board Elections, from January 7 - February 10, 2022.
While details will be finalized the week before the call, we have confirmed at least two questions that will be asked during this call for feedback:
- What is the best way to ensure fair representation of emerging communities among the Board?
- What involvement should candidates have during the election?
While additional questions may be added, the Movement Strategy and Governance team wants to provide time for community members and affiliates to consider and prepare ideas on the confirmed questions before the call opens. We apologize for not having a complete list of questions at this time. The list of questions should only grow by one or two questions. The intention is to not overwhelm the community with requests, but provide notice and welcome feedback on these important questions.
Do you want to help organize local conversation during this Call?
Contact the Movement Strategy and Governance team on Meta, on Telegram, or via email at msg
wikimedia.org.
Reach out if you have any questions or concerns. The Movement Strategy and Governance team will be minimally staffed until January 3. Please excuse any delayed response during this time. We also recognize some community members and affiliates are offline during the December holidays. We apologize if our message has reached you while you are on holiday.
Best,
Movement Strategy and Governance
Thank you. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 20:03, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us![edit]
The Community Wishlist Survey 2022 starts in less than two weeks (Monday 10 January 2022, 18:00 UTC). We, the team organizing the Survey, need your help.
Only you can make the difference
How many people will hear and read about the Survey in their language? How many will decide to participate? Will there be enough of you to vote for a change you would like to see? It all depends on you, volunteers.
Why are we asking?
- We have improved the documentation. It's friendlier and easier to use. This will mean little if it's only in English.
- Thousands of volunteers haven't participated in the Survey yet. We'd like to improve that, too. Three years ago, 1387 people participated. Last year, there were 1773 of them. We hope that in the upcoming edition, there will be even more. You are better than us in contacting Wikimedians outside of wikis. We have prepared some images to share. More to come.
What is the Community Wishlist Survey?
It's an annual survey that allows contributors to the Wikimedia projects to propose and vote for tools and platform improvements. Long years of experience in editing or technical skills are not required.
Thanks, and be safe and successful in 2022! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 03:45, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Some ideas have already started in the Community Wishlist Survey/Sandbox. — xaosflux Talk 16:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Structure of the Wikimedia Foundation[edit]
Is it possible that someone from the Wikimedia Foundation makes a presentation about the structure of the Wikimedia Foundation during a session for interested Wikimedians. There are discussions about the increase in costs and income of the Wikimedia Foundation and it is not easy to understand what for departments exist at the Wikimedia Foundation and what the Employees are doing. There was a massive increase regarding the number of employed people in the last years and so a presentation could help. At Wikimedia Germany there was such a presentation about the structure of their organisation through a community forum and this was helpful for me. I also wish a regular update of the Tuning Session documents after the end of a quarter. They were helpful for me to understand what the teams are doing.--Hogü-456 (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
New project proposal - WikiAnswers[edit]
Asking questions and being curious is often what brings us to Wikipedia. We come enthusiastic and bright eyed with a desire to help others learn with a deep respect for civility and openness.
Encyclopedia were the means by which people learned back then. A static repository of knowledge, curated by a well intended yet centralized authority, that you had to digest by yourself. And then Wikipedia came along, offering to those who cared enough a voice in describing reality. And people cared. And people learned and found answers to their many questions within those articles.
This proposal aim to make it even easier for people to learn and find answers to their many questions.
In a world of Machine Learning, Virtual Assistants and AI; Come and help us shape this story! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SebastienDery (talk)
Initiative to end anti-LGBT+ content on Wikimedia[edit]
As discussed at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_Forum#Bigoted_content_on_Wikipedias_you_don%E2%80%99t_speak_the_language_of, users of non-English projects are getting away with spreading anti-LGBT+ rhetoric in direct opposition to both Wikimedia’s UCOC and LGBT+ inclusivity initiative. I propose the creation of a project similar to Climate change portal/climate denial review to work on systematically removing this inappropriate and bigoted content. Dronebogus (talk) 10:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think there are different point of views to the topic and after my understanding it is allowed that people say what they mean as long as it is not unfriedly and it hurts other people. After my understanding a encyclopedia article should offer a neutral persceptive and tell what different sources write about the topic. If a user has a infobox with a message about the own view to LGBT+ on the user page this is from my point of view not a problem. Maybe you can try to start such a project by talking to other members of the LGBT+ User Group. I am interested in understanding better what reasons are there that lead to anti-LGBT+ rhetoric.--Hogü-456 (talk) 17:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Hogü-456: Someone stating they view LGBT+ people as in some way “less than” heterosexual cisgender people is inherently unfriendly and hurtful, but in any case I’m more concerned about non-English articles potentially featuring inaccurate or biased negative coverage of LGBT+M particularly in regions with strong anti-LGBT sentiment like Eastern Europe and Central Asia. Dronebogus (talk) 19:50, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Everyone is allowed to their own views as long as it doesn't affect the edits. Żyrafał (talk) 16:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Such a coordinating initiative I think could be helpful in dealing with this problem.The fact that homophobia is a problem and is unacceptable in any project is due to Universal_Code_of_Conduct#3.1_–_Harassment . Everyone is allowed to have their own views, beliefs etc. but they must not express them in a way that constitutes harassment, using insults, stereotypes or attacks based on personal characteristic "like intelligence, appearance, ethnicity, race, religion (or lack thereof), culture, caste, sexual orientation, gender, sex, disability, age, nationality, political affiliation, or other characteristics." Grudzio240 (talk) 18:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Oppose The climate denial case is about whether or not there is a global warming. This case can be proved scientifically with a high degree of certainity. However, the legal system is not a science like physics and we cannot prove gay marriages should be equal to hetero ones. This is a philosophical issue. And it may turn out that there is no right answer.
- Not always is there a right or wrong world view. It may just be different than others'. The world view of a user should be their private matter. And they should be able to write on any topic they want or on no topic at all (equality - otherwise it's going to be like censorship). Where is the borderline between accepted and unaccepted behavior? Is "I'm against selling alcohol to minors" okay? Or "I'm against advertising drugs"? Wikimedia community is a global one. This means that users may come from a completely different places where there are different traditions and world views common. And it's impossible to guarantee that our opinions will not clash. They will but we don't have to remember about it when talking to others.
- Let's take the marriage: in the Western culture these are pairs of two people and adding anyone more is usually considered cheating (at least traditionally). On the other hand, there are cultures like Arabic where it's perfectly okay to have two or more wifes. Everyone of us have certain opinions. They do not have to be universally nice. I can be against my girlfriend sleeping with one more 'best friend' but that doesn't mean I won't talk to a person who is willing to live in such a complex relation.
- This particular user states he is against gay marriage. This doesn't mean he believes LGBT+ people are worse than others (maybe he does so, but that's not written there). Marriage is an construct of a civil law and not a treat of Wikimedia user. Moreover, this case is very boolean: you can be for or against LGBT marriages (not diving into reasons here, but there are certainly for both options). If you are forbidden to say "i'm against" but you may say "i'm for" (hey, inclusivity), that's censorship.
- Suppose I wrote "Eating meat should be forbidden". I do not disapprove of people who eat meat but I do say that they should not do so. Is this considered to be vegetarian terrorism and against inclusivity of meat-eaters?
- We should not hurt people by saying something but also we cannot hurt people by preventing them to be themselves. Msz2001 (talk) 18:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- While your argument is fair on the surface, I think it’s broadly scientific accepted that sexual orientation and gender identity are not behaviors (like alcohol selling or eating meat) but rather innate traits. So if joe wikipedian says gay people can’t marry, he isn’t really saying he’s opposed to the action itself but saying that either gay people can stop being gay so they can get a straight marriage (which is scientifically false) or that gay people exist but don’t deserve to marry (which is clearly discriminatory). Dronebogus (talk) 18:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree with the conclusions you make. Infoboxes expressing opposition to gay marriage rights are just as inappropriate as other hypotheticals supporting discrimination userbox texes:
- "This user opposes interracial marriage the adoption of children by such couples." - racism , "This user opposes voting rights for women." - Sexism , "This user supports whites-only beaches" - racism etc. Grudzio240 (talk) 22:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Not thatsuch userboxes or user statements should be ignored, but is there any evidence this is affecting article content? DGG (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- No but they create a hostile environment for the user groups they disparage. Dronebogus (talk) 19:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Community Wishlist Survey 2022[edit]
The Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is now open!
This survey is the process where communities decide what the Community Tech team should work on over the next year. We encourage everyone to submit proposals until the deadline on 23 January, or comment on other proposals to help make them better. The communities will vote on the proposals between 28 January and 11 February.
The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia editors. You can write proposals in any language, and we will translate them for you. Thank you, and we look forward to seeing your proposals! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Call for Feedback about the Board of Trustees elections is now open[edit]
The Call for Feedback: Board of Trustees elections is now open and will close on 7 February 2022.
With this Call for Feedback, the Movement Strategy and Governance team is taking a different approach. This approach incorporates community feedback from 2021. Instead of leading with proposals, the Call is framed around key questions from the Board of Trustees. The key questions came from the feedback about the 2021 Board of Trustees election. The intention is to inspire collective conversation and collaborative proposal development about these key questions.
Best,
Movement Strategy and Governance--SOyeyele (WMF) (talk) 23:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Autowikibrowser permission[edit]
I was about to ask to the local community for consent about the creation of an autowikiborser local policy. I think that the use of the software should be reserved only for enabled users even without the bot flag. Is it possible to remove the possibility of using the autowikibrowser for all non-authorized users? How? If so, who would grant and revoke the permissions?--Gat lombard (talk) 08:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Gat lombard: we already require AWB registration here on the meta-wiki; we don't really need a "policy" for it. Users that need access can request it at Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat. — xaosflux Talk 14:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Gat lombard: Hi. If you want to restrict who can use AWB on your community you'll need to create two pages in JSON format, one for the configuration, and the second one would be a check page of users allowed to use the tool. Please let me know if you need some help. I can set those up for you if you'd like. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- @MarcoAurelio: Thanks, then I'll call you in two weeks when the new policy is approved--Gat lombard (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Gat lombard: Hi. If you want to restrict who can use AWB on your community you'll need to create two pages in JSON format, one for the configuration, and the second one would be a check page of users allowed to use the tool. Please let me know if you need some help. I can set those up for you if you'd like. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
